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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (99270)	5/30/2007 12:43:52 AM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

No more rightwing lies for the next 100,000.

To: PartyTime who wrote (99270)	5/30/2007 8:22:24 AM
From: JeffA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

I think this thread is a subset of the red/blue problem in the US. You have intolerant blue people posting nothing but hate for the administration, which causes red people to take exception, which leads invariably to human nature taking over and insults flying. You have a couple of posters that I like to actually "talk" with, a couple I have on ignore because they are total dolts, and then you have the open haters who, I consider, irrational in their hatred of Bush, which they put forth as a political stance. When an article of interest is posted nowadays, it is often dismissed out of hand by certain posters because it brings a factual position to light that is against their personal belief. This is always painful and the reaction, on the internet, is to lash out and call it BS. I just think you are seeing people being the people they can be when they are anonymous. Rest assured, had AS taken me up on the offer to come to St Louis and attend the NRA banquet, a $65 offer, it would have been treated with respect and not been called an idiot more than once or twice, instead of every sentence. However, since AS is part of several different people in a program, we know it is not free to roam about. Anyway, you have polar opposites here, most are not interested in talking or hearing the "other side."

To: PartyTime who wrote (99270)	5/30/2007 8:41:42 AM
From: JeffA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

Let me ask you this: We are long into this war. 4 years? In today's ridiculous political arena, how does one go about saying it is time to leave Iraq, after having voted for the war? What could the reps and Senators do or state to convince the public that it is time to withdraw? While I think it is reasonable for a person to have a different aspect or view on the war 4 years after the initial permission was given, it seems to come with it a huge stigma of "flip flopping" if you now have a stance different than in 2002 when the President was given permission to go to war with Iraq. I am all for bringing our troop home. I am all for giving the Iraqi gov't measurable benchmarks to hit, if this were to involve specific dates, I would keep them secret. I would make it clear, as Bush is doing now, that the US forces will stay as long as the acknowledged Iraqi gov't wants them to stay, or per the agreed to timetable and benchmarks, whichever is shorter. There is no question in a lot of peoples mind that our service over there is not appreciated, but I am a firm believer that we are doing something good and we bear some responsibility to see that country left with a strong gov't. The problem is these people have hated each other since history began, the US ain't gonna change that in 4 yrs, or 40. We just have to reach a mutually agreeable point of stability for Iraq, then we can leave with our responsibility fulfilled towards the citizens of that country. When we leave, there will be another civil war within a year, no matter what we do.