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Politics : ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION THE FIGHT TO KEEP OUR DEMOCRACY -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Jim McMannis who wrote (1883)6/30/2007 3:08:00 AM
From: John Carragher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3197
 
from the country that gave them maps on how to escape from it and go to the states. now complains that its wrong to give these illegals all our benefits vs close down the border on them. What balls!



To: Jim McMannis who wrote (1883)6/30/2007 7:59:42 AM
From: Ann Corrigan  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 3197
 
The US reply to Mexico should read "we'll move the fence 6ft, when you remove your 20M citizens illegally squatting within the borders of the USA":

U.S. Border Fence Protrudes Into Mexico

A.CALDWELL, 6/29/07

COLUMBUS, N.M. (AP) - The 1.5-mile barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border was designed to keep cars from illegally crossing into the United States. There's just one problem: It was accidentally built on Mexican soil. Now embarrassed border officials say the mistake could cost the federal government more than $3 million to fix.

The barrier was part of more than 15 miles of border fence built in 2000, stretching from the town of Columbus to an onion farm and cattle ranch.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman said the vertical metal tubes were sunk into the ground and filled with cement along what officials firmly believed was the border. But a routine aerial survey in March revealed that the barrier protrudes into Mexico by 1 to 6 feet.

James Johnson, whose onion farm is in the disputed area, said he thinks his forefathers may have started the confusion in the 19th century by placing a barbed-wire fence south of the border. No one discovered their error, and crews erecting the barrier may have used that fence as a guideline.

"It was a mistake made in the 1800s," Johnson said. "It is very difficult to make a straight line between two points in rugged and mountainous areas that are about two miles apart."

The Mexican government was notified and did what any landowner would do: They sent a note politely insisting that Mexico get its land back.

"Our country will continue insisting for the removal (of the fence) to be done as quickly as possible," the Foreign Relations Department said in a diplomatic missive to Washington.

When the barrier was built in 2000, the project was believed to cost about $500,000 a mile. Estimates to uproot and replace it range from $2.5 million to $3.5 million.

Michael Friel, the spokesman for Customs and Border Protection, said the barrier was "built on what was known to be the international boundary at the time." He acknowledged the method used was "less precise than it is today."

The International Boundary and Water Commission, a joint Mexican-American group that administers the 2,000-mile border, said the border has never changed and is marked every few miles by tall concrete or metal markers.

Sally Spener, a commission spokeswoman in El Paso, said the agency is generally consulted for construction projects to ensure that treaties are followed. The commission is working with the Department of Homeland Security "to develop a standardized protocol" for building fences and barriers.

"We just want to make sure those things are clear now," Spener said.

New Mexico Sen. Jeff Bingaman asked Customs and Border Protection officials to build a new fence on U.S. soil before the old one is torn down.

Bingaman said he was concerned about security issues in Las Chepas, the small Mexican village where most area residents live. New Mexico once sought permission to raze the community because it was known as a popular staging area for illegal immigrants and drug smugglers.

Back at his farm, Johnson said he doesn't understand why the placement of the barriers has become an issue now since his family's fence went unquestioned for more than a century.

"The markers are in the right place, and the fence is crooked," Johnson said. "But for 120-plus years it was agreed upon that that fence was the border."





To: Jim McMannis who wrote (1883)6/30/2007 12:48:34 PM
From: Tadsamillionaire  Respond to of 3197
 
The Rev. Luis Kendziersky, director of a shelter for migrants in the border city of Tijuana, said it appeared senators "are focused more on the political game than on the real needs of the people."


Actually Senators were focused on the 98% of THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES and what they desired for their country.

By the way what are "Opinion makers"



To: Jim McMannis who wrote (1883)7/4/2007 7:41:46 AM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3197
 
The Center Shouldn’t Hold
By ANDRO LINKLATER
Markbeech, England

IT’S just a red stake stuck in an anonymous spread of pasture 20 miles north of Belle Fourche, S.D., a rodeo town of about 5,000 inhabitants. But it is also the geographical center of the United States of America, as defined by the National Geodetic Survey in 1959. Or at least it is for now.

To find it, says Teresa Schanzenbach, executive director of the town’s chamber of commerce, “you have go into a ditch, cross a barbed-wire fence and maneuver amongst the cactus and cow pies.” So, plans are that in August, the center of the nation is to be moved 20 miles south, and an eye-catching granite monument will be unveiled in Belle Fourche itself so that visitors can see it more easily.

This may seem like a high-handed way to treat both geography and the United States itself. Certainly the implications reach well beyond Belle Fourche. Is the balance of the nation going to be affected? Will there be a seismic tilt towards Canada? And can we be sure that the center won’t shift again? History certainly suggests that it will — and within the foreseeable future.

The event that made Belle Fourche the focal point of the nation’s land mass was the admission of Hawaii and Alaska in 1959. Never have the frontiers of the United States remained fixed for so long.

From the Treaty of Paris in 1783 that pushed the frontier of the union to the Mississippi River, expansionism has been the driving force in American history. The roll call of increase is familiar — the Louisiana Purchase in 1803, the acquisition of Florida and the Gulf Coast in 1819, the annexation of Texas in 1845, the Oregon Treaty in 1846 and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, in which Mexico gave up much of the Southwest, two years later.

Naturally the geographical center snaked westward in step. From the District of Columbia, the Belle Fourche of its day as the midpoint of the 13 original states, it jumped in 1803 to Columbus, Ky., where the inhabitants decided to create a magnificent wide-avenued grid beside the Mississippi in the expectation that their town would become the nation’s new capital. Before a brick could be laid, however, the center had moved south to Tennessee, then west to the Ozarks, and by 1859 John Gilpin, the governor of Colorado, felt able to suggest that a point near Omaha should become “the cardinal basis for the future empire now erecting itself upon the North American continent.”

By rights, the frontiers of this anticipated empire would have enclosed both Canada and Central America. “I look off on Canada,” confessed William H. Seward, soon to be Lincoln’s secretary of state, “and see there an ingenious, enterprising and ambitious people ... and I am able to say, ‘It is very well, you are building excellent states to be hereafter admitted into the American Union.’ I can look southwest and see amid all the convulsions that are breaking the Spanish-American republics, the preparatory stage for their re-organization in free, equal and self-governing members of the United States of America.”

That this exalted vision should have ground to a halt with Seward’s purchase of Alaska and the later annexation of Hawaii ensured that the geographical center would migrate no further than to a field in South Dakota. But before the inhabitants of Belle Fourche invest too much money in a permanent monument, they should consider whether the age of expansionism is indeed over. In particular they might cast a wary glance at the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, which was created in 2005 by President Bush and counterparts in Mexico and Canada.

Anti-immigration drum-beaters like CNN’s Lou Dobbs and Representative Virgil Goode, a Virginia Republican, routinely portray the partnership as a threat to United States sovereignty. They like to cite an early recommendation by the Council on Foreign Relations, an independent body despite its official-sounding title, that by 2010 the partnership should lead to “a North American economic and security community” enclosed within a shared “outer security perimeter.”

True, such a plan would require the creation of several supranational agencies — a North American commission to establish regulations harmonizing the economic and security policies of the three nations, a North American secretariat to monitor their observance, and a North American court to enforce their compliance. One of the oft-repeated talking points for critics of the partnership is that its purpose is to “remove sovereignty from the United States and give it to a North American union similar to the European Union.”

The Bush administration dismisses such claims as “conspiracy theories,” “myths” and “lies.” It created a Web site to inform the public that the partnership is not an agreement or a treaty but a “dialogue” to help reduce barriers to trade and enhance security against a terrorist attack; that the Council on Foreign Relations has no official standing; that no plans exist for a supposed superhighway from Mexico; that no North American Union is contemplated; and above all that “the S.P.P. does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our founding fathers.”

All of which would seem clear enough — were it not for the intriguing report issued in February by the partnership’s entirely official North American Competitiveness Council, made up of leaders from the region’s largest companies, including General Motors, Wal-Mart, Chevron and United Parcel Service. Among some 50 proposals, the council recommended a common “North American customs clearance system” by 2010, a “trilateral tax treaty” and the establishment of a “North American standard” as the “default approach” for regulations in all three countries covering food, agriculture, manufacturing, transport and intellectual property rights. Their recommendations are expected to be taken up when President Bush, President Felipe Calderón of Mexico and Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada meet next month.

Is there any way of reconciling this clear route to supranational regulation of economic and social policies with the denial that it will diminish United States sovereignty? Actually, there is.

Unlike the European Union, where six large nations jostle for power with 21 others of varying size, any North American model would inevitably be dominated by the partner whose population and economy are respectively almost three and six times bigger than those of the other two put together. It is significant that even at this early stage, all Security and Prosperity Partnership agreements have involved the United States, although often excluding one of the other two partners, and that American regulations are the norm for most of the partnership’s 24 existing bilateral and trilateral agreements covering trade and security.

In other words, folks like Mr. Dobbs and Representative Goode are facing in the wrong direction. The partnership is increasing rather than diminishing the scope of United States sovereignty. History is resuming its normal course. It may be slower than invasion or purchase, but the regulations and agencies needed to enforce them will pull Canada and Mexico within the reach of United States jurisdiction as effectively as any means that Seward envisioned. Meanwhile, the citizens of Belle Fourche would be well advised to make the new geographical center of the United States transportable. It may eventually need to travel to somewhere near Omaha.

Andro Linklater is the author of “The Fabric of America: How Our Borders and Boundaries Shaped the Country and Forged Our National Identity.”