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To: JohnM who wrote (39375)	7/10/2007 11:36:03 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541776

This is all so dreadfully depressing. I don't know how Bush can live with himself after creating this unholy mess.

To: JohnM who wrote (39375)	7/10/2007 12:44:17 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541776

There should be a standing rule that anyone who says we can't leave Iraq, has to discuss in detail the ramifications of an open-ended commitment there for the next decade or two - militarily, economically and politically (at home and abroad). Let them make a positive case for the US investing that much more in Iraq and see if it flies. They won't. Instead they hide behind the skirts of the "we can't leave" and the "we must win" BS slogans and dodge the actual consequences of that rhetoric. Sometimes I look at the calendar and expect to see July 1968 instead of 2007. Feels eerily familiar.

To: JohnM who wrote (39375)	7/10/2007 1:35:51 PM
From: Suma	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541776

I heard an interview with Petaraus last night on BBC.. Although he is very convincing for not only staying the course but having more troops I just cannot ignore that he is a military man and for the military men the only solution is war.... There is a lack of humanities taught at West Point and other military academies me thinks and more war games. Arbitration, alternative solutions to war and killing at not in the mindset of the solid military man. I could be very wrong but that I why I think think tanks... persons who know and understand the sociological, cultural and history of Iraq and are better able to advise. And perhaps someone outside of the throes of the SURGE that we are doing now would be better advised.