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To: GST who wrote (2569)7/20/2007 3:03:52 PM
From: one_lessRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 4152
 
"On the other hand I not want Iran to feel comfortable committing murder and violating Iraqi sovereignty -- but at this stage our own violations of Iraqi sovereignty loom so large that you will never achieve anything close to peace until you work out how to give Iraqis their country back and accept than Iranians will indeed play some role in shaping the future of Iraq."

Here's the plan.

"...the fulfillment of commitments by both the U.S. and Iraqi Governments will be necessary to achieving our common goal: a democratic Iraq that can govern, defend, and sustain itself, and be an ally in the War on Terror. The building of a strong strategic partnership with the Iraqi Government will be an important part of the effort to achieve this end state, which remains a long-term goal, and requires the application of all elements of national power, including especially diplomatic, economic, and political power."...

Over 2007 and into 2008, we are focusing on the following core objectives:

* Defeat al-Qaida and its supporters and ensure that no terrorist safe haven exists in Iraq.

* Support Iraqi efforts to quell sectarian violence in Baghdad and regain control over the capital.

* Ensure the territorial integrity of Iraq and counter/limit destructive Iranian and Syrian activity in Iraq.

* Help safeguard democracy in Iraq by encouraging strong democratic institutions impartially serving all Iraqis and preventing the return of the forces of tyranny.

* Foster the conditions for Iraqi national reconciliation but with the Iraqi Government clearly in the lead.

* Continue to strengthen Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) and accelerate the transition of security responsibility to the Iraqi Government.

* Encourage an expanding Iraqi economy, including by helping Iraq maintain and expand its export of oil to support Iraqi development.

* Promote support for Iraq from its neighbors, the region, and the international community.



To: GST who wrote (2569)7/20/2007 6:14:40 PM
From: Brumar89Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4152
 
I think you've been watching too many movies.

Right now, I think our special forces are only in countries at the invitation of the local government. Like Iraq, Afghanistan. There are probably some in advisory, training roles elsewhere in places like the Philippines, some places in central Asia, etc.

Iraq is crawling with Americans who can kill anybody at will as they have complete immunity from Iraqi law,

Maybe, though the legality seems okay with the Iraqi gov't. And real life examples show that Americans in Iraq are subject to US military law and are punished for wrong-doing.

if a soldier walks down any street in any city in Iraq and blows the head off a child standing by the road

Do you really think American soldiers are walking through Iraqi streets shooting children standing by the road?

Your indignation at the thought that Iranians might in some way be helping Iraqis who see themselves as ridding themselves of a brutal foreign military occupation ..

I think its right to be indignant. Our presence is justified by the desire of the Iraqi gov't and the UN who wants us there. Remember the UN is the institution you seemed to want our foreign policy to be in agreement with. Now it is and you don't like it - those contradictions again.

It is already frequently assumed by some that we are engaged in a proxy war where we have violated Iranian sovereignty

Are you making that charge? If so on what basis?

and are actively promoting Iranian organizations who have as their aim the overthrow of the government of Iran.

There are opposition groups in Iran. And I think we should wish them well. The current gov't is remarkably brutal, hanging people for being homosexuals, hanging teenage girls for being rebellious, stoning women for who knows what sin. Democratic rights and human rights that exist in most countries are very constrained in Iran.

Do you know of any Iranian efforts to send Iranian special forces into the US or to sponsor groups whose aim is to overthrow the US government?

I'm sure we have Hezbollah groups in the US and possibly Iranian agents. What their intentions are, who knows. I do know Ahmadinejad has led crowds in chants of magbar America - "death to America" - as I heard it with my own ears on youtube.



To: GST who wrote (2569)7/20/2007 9:58:07 PM
From: Brumar89Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4152
 
IRAN: THE CONSPIRACY THAT WASN'T
By AMIR TAHERI

More on whats going on in Iran now and the nature of the Iranian regime.

July 20, 2007 -- EVER since its creation in 1979, the Islamic Republic in Iran has been obsessed with conspiracy theories, especially "foreign plots" to topple it. This paranoia was demonstrated again Wednesday with the televised confessions of two U.S. citizens of Iranian origin arrested in Tehran and accused of working for the "Great Satan."
To most Iranians who watched the sordid show, the two "enemies of Islam" seemed unlikely heroes of an international conspiracy. Haleh Esfandiari-Bakhash, 67, is a petite grandmother who works for a Washington think tank; Kian Tajbakhsh, a 40-something researcher working for a foundation created by billionaire George Soros.

According to Tehran state-controlled media, the two went to Iran as part of a U.S. plot to promote a "velvet revolution." Yet their TV confessions were so obviously forced that even the Public Prosecutor's Office in Tehran has distanced itself from them. A spokesman for the office told reporters: "The confessions must be regarded as a television production. . . . What the accused said on TV is not related to actual charges against them."

What is really going on?

Frequent visitors to Iran, the two had never been molested before. Both belong to groups opposed to regime change in Iran and critical of the Bush policy of challenging the Islamic Republic.

Esfandiari works for the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars - whose director, ex-Rep. Lee Hamilton, has championed normalization with the Islamic Republic for decades. He was a key member of the Iraq Study Group, which urged the opening of a dialogue with Tehran practically on terms demanded by the mullahs.

And Hamilton built his position partly on Esfandiari's advice. The Woodrow Wilson Center has organized numerous workshops on Iran, but seldom invited regime opponents. Its guiding principle was that the Islamic Republic is what most Iranians want, and that America should help the "moderate faction" in Tehran.

Esfandiari's writings on Iran over three decades could be described as sympathetic to the Islamic revolution, although critical of some regime policies, especially on women's issues.

Soros, meanwhile, is an open opponent of Bush's policy on Iran. He has met a number of "moderate Khomeinists," indicating support for their faction. In 2004, he poured $15 million into support for Sen. John Kerry's presidential hopes. Soros would be the last person to want to overthrow the mullahs and hand Bush his biggest victory.

Both Esfandiari and Tajbakhsh have always denounced the anti-mullah opposition as nostalgia-stricken monarchists, residual leftists or worse. Both always refused to grant interviews to Iranian-opposition TV and radio shows beamed from Los Angeles, or to even the U.S.-funded Voice of America. Whatever the two were up to, they did not go to Iran to help liberate it from the Khomeinists.

Some have tried to pin the arrests on feuds within the regime. In this analysis, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his radical faction feared that the two Americans were looking to help the "moderate faction" (led by ex-President Hashemi Rafsanjani) make a comeback in next year's general election.

Yet Esfandiari hasn't lived in Iran for more than 32 years; she hardly knows enough people to create a "network" for any conspiracy. Similarly, Tajbakhsh hasn't lived in Iran since his teens.

In fact, the two were easy prey for a predatory regime that, unsure of the popular mood, increasingly fears its own shadow. Their illegal arrest and inhuman treatment is part of a broader campaign by the radical revolutionary faction to terrorize its enemies inside Iran and confuse adversaries abroad.

* In recent weeks, some 150,000 women and young men have been arrested, fined, beaten up or kept in prison for days on charges of contravening the Islamic Dress Code enacted last May.

* A massive purge of the universities is under way, with thousands of students, teachers and faculty deans shown the door for allegedly "un-Islamic" sentiments. Over 400 students and teachers are reportedly held in various parts of the country without being charged.

* A state of emergency has been declared in parts of four western provinces, where ethnic minorities live, and in parts of the southeast bordering Pakistan.

* At least 30 trade unionists have been arrested and one of Iran's best-known labor leaders, Mansour Osanloo, abducted by agents of the regime. A news agency covering labor in Iran has been shut down and its assets seized.

* Dozens of newspapers and magazines have been shut and the black list of authors and books has been extended to include hundreds more names and titles.

* Several prominent figures of the rival faction, including a brother of ex-President Muhammad Khatami, face show trials on charges resembling those against Tajbakhsh and Esfandiari.

* Ahmadinejad's faction has also launched a campaign of blackmail against Rafsanjani and his entourage, including Khatami, by threatening to publish details of their alleged corruption and misuse of public funds between 1989 and 2005.


When Tajbakhsh and Esfandiari traveled to Iran a few months ago, they may have believed it would be just another visit to their former homeland. They didn't appreciate the fact that Ahmadinejad means what he says: His "second revolution" is preparing for war against the Iranian middle classes at home and the Western democracies abroad.

The episode underscores two facts: First, no dialogue is possible with a regime that demands nothing short of total submission at home and abroad. Second, the regime feels weak enough to fear a "velvet revolution" led by women, workers, students and, ultimately, even the more moderate clergy. Hmm . . . maybe someone will try it, even though the two captive Americans did not.

nypost.com



To: GST who wrote (2569)7/20/2007 10:27:04 PM
From: Brumar89Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 4152
 
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