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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (238217)	7/29/2007 7:53:46 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Why don't you LIVE in your country Nadine? Is it physical cowardice?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (238217)	7/29/2007 9:20:58 PM
From: Bearcatbob	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine - is there any recognition you see growing that voting democratic is voting for the destruction of Israel?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (238217)	7/30/2007 1:19:56 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

300-500 million Arabs, 1.5 million of them Israeli Arabs, don't think there should be a Jewish homeland where Israel is located. 5.5 million Israeli Jews and 3-4 million non-Israeli Jews do think there should be a Jewish homeland where Israel is located. The rest of the world doesn't really care. So let the judgment of the collective stakeholders make the decision - 300-500 million Nays against less than 10 million Yays. The rest of us, as non-stakeholders, in our "objective judgment", might as well side (to the extent that we have to choose sides) with the larger population group What answer do you get when you run the Holocaust through this elevated moral calculation? As I understand it the Holocaust was a result of pure unadulterated racism, it wasn't driven by the Holocaust victims attempting to throw the Nazis out of land where the Nazis had lived for their entire lives. In cases of pure unadulterated racism, such as anti-Seimitism by the Nazis, anti-Hutuism by the Tutus and and anti-non Jews by the Israelis, the world generally lines up against the group trying to separate itself from the victim group and expresses support for the victim group. Not that the world ever really does much for the victims (look at Darfur), but the side is easy to choose. You don't really expect the uninvolved parties of the world to support the idea of removing 80% of the non-Jews from their homes and declaring a traditionally multi-cultural land to be a land for Jews, do you? You certainly don't expect the non-Jewish population of the Middle East to support the eviction of 80% of the non-Jewish population from what would become Israel so that the Jews in that area can live in a more ethnically pure environment, do you? A better question for you to have asked (since we're dicussing Israel) is what do you get when you run the Nakba and the resulting refusal by the new nation of Israel to allow the Nakba's refugees to return to their homes through this equation? The answer - today's situation in the ME where Jews and non-Jews hate each other. Good job, Israel. This hatred wasn't inherent in Arabia - Jews lived as well as (often better than) mosts member of the non-ruling families in the Middle East up until the foundation of Israel. It is the forced transformation of a multi-ethnic region into a Jewish homeland and the forced displacement of 80% of the non-Jewish residents from that land which causes 99% of the animosity between the Israeli and non-Israeli people in the ME.