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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (238305)	7/30/2007 1:45:59 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

When Pollack speaks, people should listen.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (238305)	7/30/2007 2:15:41 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

I am a sports nut and i think i read once Nadine that you are a RedSox fan. The iraqi victory in the soccer tourney and al quaedas indiscriminate attack against revelers may turn out to be a very costly blunder on their part. By doing this, they not only make iraqis aware again of their nihilism but it also tells these same iraqis of the joyless talibanization to follow any victory on their part. Who would ally with such scum? Remember the soccer stadiums in afganistan that were turned into places of execution and stoning. No fun under al quaeda permmitted by order of management.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (238305)	7/30/2007 2:34:03 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Well, I disagree with the premise. I still don't believe that Iraq is the central front, Afgh-Pak is, and always has been. Yeah, I know, the guys in A-P talk up Iraq. Sure, it suits them well. They send people over there to kill Americans, incite civil war between two brands of infidel Muslims, make the US look silly. But it keeps the heat off them at very little cost, compared to what it would have been if those 130,000-150,000 soldiers were in A-P. Not to mention the good ol' boy contractors milking the military for all its worth. I did read the Pollack-Hanlon article. Well, it's encouraging. Their blurb on Anbar fits with my conception of it well--basically that the turning point had nothing to do with the "surge," it had everything to do with Iraqi Sunnis deciding that they were bigger assholes than the Americans. It also fits with my notion that AQ doesn't represent a true threat in Iraq--Iraqis haven't been plastered with that screwy ideology to as a great a degree as, e.g., SA has. Their article is also the first piece I've read that actually praised the Iraqi military. But even as they were writing, the Iraqi Parliament takes off August 'cause it's too hot, lol. Armies can't make peace unless they break an awful lot of things first. Only politics can make peace in the long run. And there is too much money, too many weapons, too much desire for independence on the part of the Kurds, and domination/revenge on the part of the Sunnis and Shia for politics to have much of a chance before a lot more blood has been shed. I'm afraid I'm still not optimistic. But then, optimism doesn't really run in my cultural genes....