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To: Brumar89 who wrote (216404)	8/21/2007 10:00:25 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793756

Teaching about gay marriage has nothing to do with religion, really. Look, if you have a book about people eating pork, it isn't a slap to the Jews and the Muslims, it's just about people eating pork. While some religions have prohibitions about pork, eating pork is not primarily a religious activity, just as being gay has nothing to do with religion, per se. People of all religions have gay people in their congregations. Some religions choose to exclude gays or to make their behavior, or their very being "sinful"- but the larger set of gay behavior, or gay existence, has nothing to do with religion. That some people who are religious define it as a sin, does not make it one universally- just as we can serve pork hot dogs in the cafeteria without having the ACLU come down on us (as long as we offer Kosher alternatives). Can you explain why you are mixing up a book about different sorts of families with religion? I mean some religions don't approve of divorce, but we still have a lot of children's books dealing with divorce, because the reality is many children come from broken homes, and divorce is not considered a religious act. It may be in some religions, but the large set is non-religious, just as it is with gayness.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (216404)	8/21/2007 11:19:57 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793756

Brumar89; just as someone who is a pacifist and an atheist can't enforce their opinion. Interesting response - and revealing - but what does pacifism have to do with gays? I don't follow the logic? The message for kids here is pretty clear. . . What is the message for kids? Are you suggesting the teachers are encouraging a gay life style? I think that is preposterous and rather silly. Perhaps they are just trying to teach tolerance of people? I don't have much of an opinion here as I am not afraid of gays...... which stated that evolution is an "unsupervised, impersonal" process. Your argument on evolution is easier for me as I do have a stronger opinion. To people afraid of accepting evolution, I ask the following question;....if you get an infection from a resistant bacteria, do you want a shot of an antibiotic that will not work or a newer antibiotic developed to address the resistant bacteria? The answer is obvious for anyone who wants to live. Now if you want to place God into this thinking, you are free to do so, but that is religion and has no place in the science class. Your argument seems to confuse evolution with atheism. Your argument against evolution becomes so strained to vilify the education system that it looses objectivity as you stretch that argument of evolution into atheism. My point in the original comment to you is that pacifism or atheism are not science and should not be taught in school as science just as ID is not science. My position protects you and your belief - and prevents you from pushing your religious beliefs onto me. steve