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To: tejek who wrote (359783)	11/21/2007 3:57:08 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578105

The kibbutzim 1 - Is one highly specific counter-example, compared to a huge history of socialized farming being at least problematic, and often disastrous. 2 - Are voluntary, and only a small part of Israel's economy. Voluntary small scale socialist experiments conducted by highly committed people can sometimes work. Socialist economies can't, at least not very well. 3 - Where in the context of a sufficiently market based economy that they could take price signals and respond to those incentives when they sell their surplus. They where socialist in the same way that a worker owned business is socialist. Technically socialist yes, but operating in a market economy with real price signals. Absent such signals, you don't just have the widely recognized socialist problem of motivation (in most cases people working in a socialist system have less incentive to work hard, work smart, and take risks), but also a problem in knowing what to produce, and how much of it you should produce. 3 - Are declining as a portion of Israel's economy, and also at the same time becoming less socialist.

To: tejek who wrote (359783)	11/21/2007 4:03:28 PM
From: TopCat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578105

"However, the Israelis have ample successes in their kibbutzim that you all repeatedly overlook." I've already pointed out to you that kibbutzims in Israel are mostly capitalistic today and you backed off then. Short memory?...or, just trying to spread your BS again? "While the kibbutzim lasted for several generations as utopian communities, most of today's kibbutzim are scarcely different from the capitalist enterprises and regular towns to which the kibbutzim were originally supposed to be alternatives." en.wikipedia.org