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To: JohnM who wrote (44557)	12/17/2007 12:20:48 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 540836

It's very easy to take an anti-corporate stance and flip in into anti-prosperity and anti-growth attacks from the other side in a general election. Most people work for those big companies one way or another, and the electorate is hardly a lumpen proletariat waiting to rise up against their capitalist exploiters. Obama said the healthcare industry is bound to have some say ina healthcare solution. That is only logical, IMHO. I don't see a screeching screed against evil corporate America carrying the day in 2008.

To: JohnM who wrote (44557)	12/17/2007 12:30:14 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 540836

And nothing Mr. Obama has said suggests that he appreciates the bitterness of the battles he will have to fight if he does become president, and tries to get anything done. I don't think Krugman is being entirely fair here. There were some pretty bitter battles in the Illinois legislature when he was there. And he's fought some pretty bitter battles just by virtue of being black. Edwards' blantant populist speech about "confronting" industrial powers is speech. Not action. You can't just ignore vested interests as powerful as the drug and insurance sectors. What really matters is what happens at the table when you sit down with them. And when that happens, I don't think thumbing your nose at them will be very productive. What in some sense needs to happen is that a different role must be found for them in a different social order. We are evolving into something different, either willingly or not willingly--that much is, IMO, certain. If nothing else, both the change in the relative balance of power (political and economic) internationally and the environmental changes that will only become clearer with time will force some pretty dramatic changes on our social order. Personally, I'd rather have a guy like Obama having more of a say in that change than Edwards.