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To: Knighty Tin who wrote (110226)12/18/2007 3:53:16 PM
From: Pogeu Mahone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 132070
 
I have to put Huckabee in with Romney when it comes to
a dangerous co-mingling of religion and politics and
governing.

Last week on BBC radio, there was a story, far too
believable from Iran.

Small town, 40 miles from Tehran. Father, 3 sons,
wife who worked to support family, and a young
daughter.

Under religious rule, the daughter is PROPERTY of
father------he decides to raise the family income. He
"marries" her off to an older man for 5
months-----quite legal----marriage avoids problems
like rape, child abuse, etc. He collects equivalent
of $100
a month for marriage. From that point on he continues
the practice. When she is 17 the man who "marries"
her decides to make money off her instead of just
enjoying her body himself. She begins servicing up to
15 men per night under his threat. Now this is out
and out prostitution as SHE CAN BE MARRIED
LEGITIMATELY TO ONLY ONE MAN, her husband, who is
renting her out. Somehow the authorities become
involved-----it is thought it was because of neighbor
complaints. The man/HUSBAND
and his "wife" are both arrested, although not under a
prostitution charge----apparently such a charge didn't
fit the crime. She's 18 and in prison. As part of
the investigation the authorities interview the
ORIGINAL FAMILY. Two of the three boys say they had
sex with their younger sister when she was 6 or 7.

This is INCEST! And the guilty party
is--------drumroll, please!-----------yes, the guilty
party is the 6 year old girl who beguiled and seduced
her teenage brothers! The sentence: DEATH!!!!

At this point the story hits the press------------a
female lawyer, still practicing on her "shah acquired"
license hears the story. Follow up interviews get the
teenage brothers to recant(now, of course, much older,
being teenagers at the time they apparently were
seduced by their sister). The lawyer appeals to a
higher court with the recantations in hand.

She pleads that "at no time did anyone offer hope,
help, understanding or fairness to this now 19 year
old woman only days from death. Can not this court be
the first?" Her plea is successful.
The 19 year old is released into the care of an
organization which is dealing with about a dozen other
women so abused and married off, etc.

In the case of this story----at the time of the BBC
report she was now 22------the girl has panic and
hysteria attacks daily------is at least in a schooling
situation and now reads with the proficiency of a 2nd
grader---and is getting training in sewing so as to
make a living for herself at some point----but for all
intents and purposes will always live a shattered
life.

That is what RELIGION in the extreme will do for
women.

I mention that because Huckabee has a lot of
statements to disavow----like the one in the 80's when
as a Baptist Minister he said and wrote in the church
newspaper something to the effect that "it is a
woman's duty to submit totally in all things to her
husband."

He is still dealing with his earlier charge that HIV
victims be "isolated", which sounds like a quarantine
to me-----his backtracking is taking the form that at
the time he made that statement no one knew that
casual
contact could NOT pass along the
disease--------------which is false/a lie/or another
example of stupidity because it had been known for AT
LEAST 5 YEARS WHEN HE MADE HIS STATEMENT THAT CASUAL
CONTACT LIKE SHAKING HANDS OR EVEN KISSING COULD NOT
PASS ALONG THE VIRUS.

The dems will have fun with this guy who believes in
creationism and wants it taught in schools instead of
evolution.

But first the press and his opponents will have a
shot.



To: Knighty Tin who wrote (110226)12/18/2007 4:21:36 PM
From: Pogeu Mahone  Respond to of 132070
 
W. Spreading his love like an obgyn
ta da
democracy muslim style;0

latimes.com

From the Los Angeles Times
Iraqi policewomen are told to surrender their weapons
The move is a sign of the religious and cultural conservatism that has taken hold since Hussein's ouster.
By Tina Susman
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

December 11, 2007

BAGHDAD — The Iraqi government has ordered all policewomen to hand in their guns for redistribution to men or face having their pay withheld, thwarting a U.S. initiative to bring women into the nation's police force.

The Interior Ministry, which oversees the police, issued the order late last month, according to ministry documents, U.S. officials and several of the women. It affects all officers who have earned the title "policewoman" by graduating from the police academy. It does not apply to men in the same type of jobs.

Critics say the move is the latest sign of the religious and cultural conservatism that has taken hold in Iraq since Saddam Hussein's ouster ushered in a government dominated by Shiite Muslims. Now, that tendency is hampering efforts to bring stability to Iraq by driving women from the force, said U.S. Army Brig. Gen. David Phillips, who has led the effort to recruit female officers.

"We nursed it along," he said last week, referring to the recruiting effort. "We saw this as: 'If we could get 50% of the brain power in this country that is not being utilized engaged, how much further along would we be?' "

Without policewomen, Phillips said, there will be no officers to give pat-down searches to female suspects, even though women have joined the ranks of suicide bombers in Iraq. Last week, a female bomber killed at least 16 people north of Baghdad, at least the fifth such attack in Iraq this year.

Another U.S. advisor noted that forcing out female officers will hamper investigation of crimes such as rape, which stigmatizes women in Iraq, because few victims feel comfortable reporting it to policemen.

Policewomen say the decree also will leave them unable to protect themselves at work or off duty. Scores of police employees, both officers and administrative workers, have been killed by insurgents. Men and women have traditionally been allowed to carry their Glock pistols with them after hours for security.

"We are considered policewomen. We face kidnapping. We could be assassinated. If anyone knew where we worked, of course they would try to do something to us," said a 27-year-old interviewed Sunday.

"How can I be a policewoman without a weapon?" she asked incredulously as three female colleagues nodded in agreement.

They, and Phillips, said the pistol recall was the latest in a series of moves that has limited most policewomen to desk jobs. The few who have worked on the streets have been reassigned to administrative tasks.

Iraqi law still prevents policewomen from advancing to commanding-officer levels. Phillips said women have complained to him about limited opportunities and harassment by male colleagues.

U.S. trainers began recruiting women in early 2004 and were so swamped with applicants that they had to turn many away. By the end of that year, about 1,000 women had graduated. Since U.S. authorities handed over responsibility for police recruitment and training to Iraqi authorities in February 2006, Phillips said, the number of female recruits has dropped to virtually zero.

A handful of policewomen are working in western Al Anbar province after graduating from the academy in October, but Phillips said they were recruited, trained and paid with U.S. funds under a program not recognized by the Iraqi government.

"When we stop paying, they stop getting paid," Phillips said.

Phillips, who works closely with Interior Ministry officials, said he got wind of the latest move to rein in female officers last month. When he questioned the plan, Phillips said, he was told by one ministry official: "Females are taken care of by men in this country. They are not out there being police officers."

The ministry has been "whittling away step by step" at the initiative launched by U.S. troops in late 2003, Phillips said.

Attempts to get a ministry official to explain the weapons order were unsuccessful. The official spokesman did not respond to telephone messages.

The order suggests that the weapons are being confiscated because some women had quit the force and absconded with their guns. However, the four policewomen interviewed said all female employees should not be punished because a few stole their weapons. They added that policemen have stolen guns and sold them but have not been stripped of their weapons en masse.

Men who hold office jobs at the ministry are being allowed to keep their weapons, the women added.

The wording of the order also suggests that weapons are needed to outfit new male recruits. Phillips said that was not the case.

There are more than 8,600 Glock pistols, the standard police-issued sidearm, in the main weapons warehouse in Baghdad, he said. An additional 120,000 are due to arrive in the coming months, he said.

The impact of the growing religious influence on Iraqi women has manifested itself in other ways as well. In the southern city of Basra, police say religious militants this year have killed dozens of women who did not cover their hair or dress modestly. In Baghdad, once a secular metropolis, it is rare to see women without scarves covering their hair. Women's activists say the new constitution clears the way for Islamic rule by guaranteeing individuals the right to decide domestic and family issues according to religious traditions.

The U.S. attempt to recruit female police officers faced hurdles from the start. Phillips said that although hundreds of women have gone through the police academy and performed as well as, if not better than, men, few have been given assignments outside the office.

Even so, the policewomen interviewed said they had held out hope that eventually they would gain a genuine role in fighting crime.

"We know there are policewomen in other countries," said one 30-year-old woman, wearing a long black abaya and a pale pink head scarf. She said she became a policewoman after her husband, who had been a police captain, was killed. It was, she said, "a sign of love" for him. It also was a way to support her three children.

For a few months, she said, she was a member of the "rescue police" squad, on the streets in uniform, mainly frisking women at checkpoints. But in April, she and another woman said, they were among dozens of female police reassigned to office jobs. "Now, we are not so happy," said the woman, who, like her colleagues, requested anonymity.

A young woman seated beside her, in trendy brown suede boots and an embroidered skirt, said joining the police force "was a new opportunity" for women to earn good salaries and break out of traditional roles. "For three years I've done my best, but unfortunately, they have not appreciated our efforts," she said.

One colleague, a 37-year-old widow rearing three daughters in the capital's Sadr City area, said she considered her weapon "like a brother to me. I have to keep it with me."

For her and other Iraqi women, police work was seen as a chance to break away from the limited options left for many Iraqis after the war, and to make decent money. The women interviewed said they earn between $600 and $700 a month, about twice what most Iraqi civil servantsmake.

Despite the ministry order, the women said they would not hand in their weapons. If their pay is withheld at the end of the month, they plan to stage a protest.

They added that they were counting on U.S. authorities to back them up and force the ministry to back off.

Phillips, though, said U.S. officials have limited options.

"It's a sovereign nation. We turned over the running of their own police force to them," he said. "We don't have a veto."

tina.susman@latimes.com

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To: Knighty Tin who wrote (110226)12/18/2007 8:37:19 PM
From: Giordano Bruno  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 132070
 
So, if Paul was elected we would end up eating each other?



To: Knighty Tin who wrote (110226)12/18/2007 8:51:28 PM
From: Freedom Fighter  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 132070
 
KT,

>No to the first Gulf War, so Saddam gets Kuwait.<

You do realize that if our ambassador didn't pretty much give Saddam permission to take Kuwait when asked he probably would not have invaded to begin with. It may have been an accidental error or misunderstanding (or not), but I've seen the film of that event.
I still don't understand why they didn't rake Bush 1 over the coals for that blunder.

>>The WWII question showed how out of touch he is with historical reality. According to him, we had to fight that one because we were attacked. But, we wouldn't have been attacked if Wilson hadn't brokered a bad armistice at Versailles. Hmmm, I thought we were attacked by Japan. They were on our side in WWI. And how would a different Versailles Treaty have changed the power politics of the Far East? True, it might have been a Pacific war instead of a world war, but we had been heading for a conflict with Japan since the 1920s. <<

I didn't see the interview and to be honest I'm not enough of an expert on the history of the time to even know, but I'd bet my life against a dollar that if you gave Paul a chance to elaborate beyond what was possible in quick interview, he'd tell you why he thinks what he thinks and it would be logical even if you disagree.

>He does have the problem that Baby Jesus is endorsing Huckleberry Hound. At least according to Huckleberry's latest ad. I find Huck a fun guy to watch, too. <

Huck in not my man, but I don't think I've ever seen a politican that manages to come off as such a nice guy even when he's deflecting attacks from his opponents and putting it right back their face. It's an amazing talent.



To: Knighty Tin who wrote (110226)12/18/2007 9:12:33 PM
From: Giordano Bruno  Respond to of 132070
 
Not one imperialist amongst 'em. They're Buddhists.