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To: Rambi who wrote (235238)	1/19/2008 10:21:11 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793926

The problem is that the Supreme Being is beyond comprehension and description. Therefore, no scientific explanation or evidence is possible or needed. And people who think they know the exact nature of God are wrong too. The wrongest of all are the ones who will kill you to make you believe their way. The most God-like are those who let others believe as they see fit, and offer ways that help us live better lives. "Forgive them, for they know not what they do" are pretty good words to live by. So are "In God We Trust." And "The Ten Commandments" are too. They don't tell you how to believe. Not even the first four.

To: Rambi who wrote (235238)	1/20/2008 1:42:39 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793926

I'd never heard the term, NewEarthers, or OldEarthers for that matter....Must live in a parallel universe, I guess....so I looked the term up....here one, but it doesn't seem that it's a wide flung group. space.com I too, think that teachers have no business at all TEACHING religion, other than that there is such a religion, and in one paragraph, tell the overriding tenant of the religion and approximately the number of "converts." I think it is madness afoot, if we think we should not even bring the subject to our children in school, since religion is such a major part of nearly everyone on earth's belief system. EVEN those who profess to have NO religion, act as if THAT belief system of theirs is in fact their guiding light, and should be everyone elses as well. Some religions definitely want to convert everyone "or else they die..." It is up to the parents and outside sorces to teach any more than that, IMO. Bit different subject, but somewhat the same. One grown son just got back from China for 10 days...first trip, and certainly first business trip. He, who is usually never at a loss for words, said in a phone call tonight to us, that the cities he went to there and the businesses' he visited, were simply beyond anything he expected, even if he had studied China for some time. One place has several buildings in a HUGE complex on thousands of acres....One building alone houses 150,000!!!!! workers on one shift! There are two shifts....They work from 7 in the morning, 1 1/2 hour lunch break, have one hour of college level class of their choice in the building, go back to work, dinnner break of 1 1/2 hours, and back to work till midnight. Every day 24-7. This company pays their people $100 for an entire month. Another large company he visited pays their people $3.00 (yes that is right) per month!!!! And that was just the start.... Americans....WAKE UP! We simply have to have our young people better educated, and being much harder workers. Talk about impact on a global economy.... We don't have the luxury of letting them take basket weaving #4, and how to skip school #6.... I'm sure we will have more about this emerging world force in time.....and probably not too far in the future, at that.

To: Rambi who wrote (235238)	1/21/2008 2:30:02 PM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793926

There is nothing that supports in a scientific way the existence of a Supreme Being. I wish there were. It would make for a lot more believers. Thought about this - and I tend to disagree. Those people would no longer be believers - they would be "knowers". If the existence of God could be objectively proven, He would no longer be God - He would be a tyrant in possession of supernatural powers. Right now, it is a matter of free choice for a man whether to believe in God, or not - or, to have doubts. If we knew for a fact that God exists, we would no longer be free - we would have no choice but to serve and obey. Since - at least in the Judeo-Christian tradition - God created man in His image and free, it appears that for God to reveal Himself in an evident manner would be inconsistent with His own nature. Sorry for wandering off into a bit of home baked Theology... :)

To: Rambi who wrote (235238)	1/22/2008 8:23:07 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793926

There is nothing that supports in a scientific way the existence of a Supreme Being. I wish there were. One of the most prominent atheists of the past century apparently disagrees. Anthony Flew - though he hasn't "converted", he has changed his mind about the existence of God and claims he did so on the basis of the weight of the evidence. ........ Flew's U-turn on God lies in a far more significant reality. It is about evidence. "Since the beginning of my philosophical life I have followed the policy of Plato's Socrates: We must follow the argument wherever it leads." I asked him if it was tough to change his mind. "No. It was not hard. I've always engaged in inquiry. If I am shown to have been wrong, well, okay, so I was wrong." Actually, Flew has been rethinking the arguments for a Designer for several years. When I saw him in London in the spring of 2003, he told me he was still an atheist but was impressed by Intelligent Design theorists. By early 2004 he had made the move to deism. Surprisingly, he gives first place to Aristotle in having the most significant impact on him. "I was not a specialist on Aristotle, so I was reading parts of his philosophy for the first time." He was aided in this by The Rediscovery of Wisdom, a work on Aristotle by David Conway, one of Flew's former students. Flew also cites the influence of Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli physicist, and Roy Abraham Varghese, author of The Wonder of the World and an Eastern Rite Catholic. Flew appeared with both scientists at a New York symposium last May where he acknowledged his changed conviction about the necessity for a Creator. In the broader picture, both Varghese and Schroeder, author of The Hidden Face of God, argue from the fine-tuning of the universe that it is impossible to explain the origin of life without God. This forms the substance of what led Flew to move away from Darwinian naturalism. I studied with Flew in 1985 in Toronto, and he told me then about the positive impression he had of emerging evangelical scholarship. That year Varghese had arranged a Dallas conference on God, and included atheists, like Flew, and theists. That same year Flew had his first debate with historian Gary Habermas of Liberty University on the resurrection of Jesus, recorded in Did Jesus Rise from the Dead? They have debated twice since on the same topic. ............... christianitytoday.com