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To: Lane3 who wrote (54939)	3/21/2008 3:27:19 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 546315

>>I still say the conspiracy theory around blacks is risible. I'm fascinated by the lack of unanimity on that.<< Karen - I'm inclined to agree. One thing that is known is that there was a very promiscuous gay flight attendant who spread the HIV virus all around the country before anyone knew it even existed. He's known as the Typhoid Mary of AIDS. He was a white Canadian. I also think there's a very large gap between the Tuskegee experiments and the idea of wiping out an entire ethnic group. As reprehensible as the Tuskegee project was, it doesn't approach the level of genocide. - Allen

To: Lane3 who wrote (54939)	3/21/2008 3:53:49 PM
From: wonk	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 546315

...I couldn't find any confirmation of that. They don't seem to know who patient zero was. But he was apparently gay. This is why the issue is so contentious. No one here is relating the best available evidence and the historical record. The consensus scientific view is that it came out of Africa, eventually made its way to Haiti and ultimately ended up in the US. Then of course you had the KGB stepping in. KGB supposedly spread the US germ warfare story, though I believe they denied they were every involved (of course). One also has the polio vaccine hypothesis. Take wikipedia with a few grains of salt, because it is - not surprisingly - a very emotional issue. en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

To: Lane3 who wrote (54939)	3/22/2008 12:17:12 AM
From: KonKilo	Respond to of 546315

I couldn't find any confirmation of that. en.wikipedia.org 1959: Haitian clerk Another early case was probably detected that same year, 1959, in a 48-year-old Haitian, who 30 years before had immigrated to the United States and at the time was working as a shipping clerk for a garment manufacturer in Manhattan. He developed similar symptoms to those just described for the British sailor, and died the same year, apparently of the same very rare kind of pneumonia. Many years later, Dr. Gordon R. Hennigar, who had performed this man's autopsy, was asked whether he thought his patient had died of AIDS; he replied "You bet" and added "It was so unusual at the time. Lord knows how many cases of AIDS have been autopsied that we didn't even know had AIDS. I think it's such a strong possibility that I've often thought about getting them to send me the tissue samples."[34] [edit] 1969: Robert R. In 1969, a 15-year-old African-American male known to medicine as Robert R. died at the St. Louis City Hospital from aggressive Kaposi's sarcoma. AIDS was suspected as early as 1984, and in 1987, researchers at Tulane University School of Medicine confirmed this, finding HIV-1 in his preserved blood and tissues. The doctors who worked on his case at the time suspected he was a prostitute, though the patient did not discuss his sexual history with them in detail. [35] [36] [37] [38] [39]