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To: Brumar89 who wrote (374987)	3/25/2008 7:01:48 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (6) \| Respond to of 1575154

endlessly try to justify the wrong doing. Just as they are now trying to justify (understand, contextualize) Wright's hate speech. One doesn't have to defend Wright's speech or anything about Wright to support Obama. America is an individualistic, self- made-man nation, and one man is not guilty of the sins of another. Obama has condemned Wright's inflammatory remarks, and has indicated that the main thing he got out of the church in question was your normal Sunday "help thy neighbor" service. End of story! You can go on all you want trying to convince people not to vote for Wright for President, and you'll win that argument because nobody is going to vote for Wright for President. If you want to use Wright's inflammatory speech to indicate we shouldn't vote for Obama for President, you must somehow tie Wright's sermons to Obama. Obama has said he thinks the inflammatory sermons are wrong, and he has indicated his takeaway from the church (and therefore from Wright) was "help thy neighbor". Until we find a tape of Obama yelling "Say it! God damn white man!" himself, the guilt by association approach just doesn't hold water. So go ahead and prove Obama wrong if you think he's lying, otherwise stop holding Obama liable for the unpleasantness of another. A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama, and not a vote for Wright. If this is the worst the enemies of Obama can come up with, it's pretty wobbly. It pales in comparison to the fact that nobody like Hillary, and McCain is just too old and a rehash of George Bush. Unlike the Wright controversy, the problems with Hillary and with McCain involve.....Hillary and McCain, whereas Obama's biggest weakness isn't him, it's ONE of the hundreds of people in his inner circle. Woop de doo.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (374987)	3/25/2008 8:24:17 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575154

When something unpleasant happens in the rightie community, righties either try to cut out the problem like with Craig, or go into denial about it. When the equivalent happens in the liberal community, we endlessly try to justify the wrong doing. Just as they are now trying to justify (understand, contextualize) Wright's hate speech. Ahhh....what you refuse to get is that liberals do understand the anger behind his hate speech. What's perplexing is that you all don't. Liberals are trying to understand why he would make such comments. By understanding the motivation of someone, you better understand why s/he says and does what s/he says and does. Its called seeing the gray in a problem. Liberals are trying to find a context where what he said is okay and reasonable (even though by doing so they are stupidly undercutting their own candidates denunciation of the hate speech). Trouble is Wright's statements just arent okay or reasonable - as Obama himself stated. His comments are not okay.......but its not bad to try and understand them. Furthermore, its not bad to be angry at your country and to disparage your country when its not doing the right things. Since you say you are trying to understand and I already understand it, I'll explain it to you. It makes him and his congregation feel good and virtuous and innocent to hate a scapegoat. Just like the Nazis hated the Jews. Thats why the term scapegoat exists - scapegoating is a universal human trait because humans are sinful flawed beings. Scapegoats? What I got from the quotes is that he was disparaging the injustices of discrmination. It isn't the KKK or the United States of KKKA which is killing black people, destroying their families today, and turning so many young black people into undereducated criminals, its the innercity gang culture that has grown up and so many have embraced. And what caused the inner city, the inner city gangs, the whole black culture of poverty and despair that existed for many years? What came before there were any inner city gangs? You can't ignore the past when looking at the present. Whatever baited the liberal into defaming her candidate - by declaring he belonged to a church that was the moral equivalent of the Aryan Nations - doesn't change the fact that she foolishly did so. Whatever. Just because someone is a liberal doesn't mean they will always do or say the right thing.