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To: Lane3 who wrote (59148)	4/14/2008 10:33:13 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542980

The more precise characterization would be that Obama has more appeal among those who consider themselves moderates than Hillary has shown, according to actual votes and polls. Most likely, they are projecting their own views onto what they like about him.

To: Lane3 who wrote (59148)	4/14/2008 12:03:24 PM
From: Bridge Player	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542980

Clinton and Obama are liberals and McCain is conservative. It seems to me that is right on. IMO McCain is right of center, although pretty far left of many hard-line conservatives, Hillary is left of center although right of many hard-line leftists, and Obama is far left of Hillary. In fact, the National Journal rates his 2007 voting record in the Senate as the most liberal. Hillary ranks as 16th most liberal. Interestingly, the National Journal also says this about Democratic voting records: Friday, March 7, 2008 The freshmen Democratic "majority makers" are overwhelmingly moderate in National Journal's 2007 congressional vote ratings. They hope their willingness to buck liberal orthodoxy will help them keep their seats in 2008.

To: Lane3 who wrote (59148)	4/14/2008 3:07:56 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542980

On the use of the term "looney left" to describe folk to Obama's left politically, I don't think that's accurate. Obama has several positions with which I disagree that you would consider to his left. They strike me, however, as policy disagreements, even philosophical disagreements. They are: (1) his health insurance position which will, most likely, have a harder time getting to a universal, single payer system than I would prefer or than either Clinton's or Edwards were likely to (considering only the policy proposals, not the political acumen of each); (2) he considers abstinence as one of the tools to deal with aids and unwanted pregnancies, I think that's a mistake; (3) his invocation of faith language troubles me a bit so I find myself watching the ways that might migrate into policy--so far it looks fine--but it is a bit troubling; etc. So if you wish to characterize my positions as "looney" left, have at it. But do expect to get some comparable comments back.