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To: KLP who wrote (246512)	4/19/2008 10:53:30 PM
From: goldworldnet	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793838

I just got a post from LB and the two of you frame this issue well. He makes the point that it's a big country with functioning religious communities living outside the mainstream with little to no interaction with the rest of us. You on the other hand see these communities as a threat to the uniform code that most of us live by. I am inclined to be cautious of the slippery slope of looking the other way and have to ask myself where and when do we draw the line. Unconventional marriage customs, religious drug use, stoning sinners, honor killings, animal sacrifice, and whatever else a pious adherent believes that is outside our legal system and civil rights undermines both. The quandary though is how do you deal with a large number of people who have enacted an alternate society with alternate laws? Aspects of tactics employed in Texas make me cringe, yet I am equally afraid of the erosion of national standards. Sadly, I don't think there is an easy or pleasant solution to this dilemma and often law enforcement is neither easy nor pleasant. One thing though is true. People that operate outside our laws are still protected by the civil rights that protect us all and tragedies such as what happened in Waco are unacceptable. Though difficult the burden will forever remain on our government to be humane and we can expect nothing less in America. * * *

To: KLP who wrote (246512)	4/20/2008 9:31:11 AM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793838

If this had been a Muslim Center of worship, the media would be in a frenzy attacking the authorities for conducting the raid. No doubt basic bigotry toward Mormon's lies at the heart of support for the raid. We saw it when Romney was running for President. He was the "Mormon" candidate, and asked questions repeatedly designed to put him on the defensive toward these kinds of sects who call themselves Mormons. Yet, Obama can directly support a hate America raving lunatic preacher and listen to his rants weekly, and we shouldn't judge his character based on this voluntary allegiance. Fourth amendment abuses have been occurring under the guise of "save the children" for decades now. It's out of control. Children are ripped out of homes across America every day, because of a simple phone call. What we should ask ourselves is whether this practice is in keeping with American rights as outlined in the Constitution and envisioned in the Declaration of Independents. Everyone wants to protect children from abusive situations. Yet, the assumption is abuse only occurs when a child is in the custody of lousy parents. How often do we see government workers or government institutions held accountable for abuse? Teenage state shelters are rife with abuse and I'll bet rape occurs in one across the country every day. I will also wager more underage pregnancies occur between older men in state half-way houses, then in the that one sect. Many should be shut down. The same thing happens in juvenile detention centers. State workers can often do far more damage than a bunch of supposedly evil Mormons. Reminds me of the media manipulated out of proportion way people reacting to the Abu Graib prison incident, while right down the road in a state prison rape is occuring literally every day. The problem with me is I have no faith that our government centers of child intervention work. Especially when called upon to deal with hundreds of families at once.