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To: ManyMoose who wrote (69870)	5/31/2008 10:47:05 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 540950

When asked if he inhaled, he responded, “I did. It’s not something I’m proud of. It was a mistake as a young man. But I never understood that line,” Mr. Obama said, pausing to recall Mr. Clinton’s insistence that he didn’t inhale. “The point was to inhale. That was the point.” Bush did, Gore did, I would bet that a majority of people born after the 60s have at least tried it. You can judge him on his youthful smoking or not- that's your own call, but, again, you chose a partial quote that isn't exactly accurate. In fact, you twisted it rather dramatically when you wrote this paraphrase I'm skeptical of anyone who inhales and then brags about it because "that's the point.". The actual quote is NOT bragging or encouraging young people to do drugs. He says he's not proud of it, and that it was a mistake.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69870)	5/31/2008 11:39:59 PM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540950

You didn't address the fact that Obama smoked and inhaled, "because that was the point." I took this as a sideways swipe against Clinton's "I didn't inhale" remark. I see it as absolute honesty, too. Not trying to make himself look better, just openly admitting what he'd done. I assume there was more to his statement than just that one soundbite?

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69870)	6/1/2008 3:23:50 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540950

>>You didn't address the fact that Obama smoked and inhaled, "because that was the point." Obama belonged for 20 years to a church with a racist pastor. This church continues to allow racist bigotry to be uttered from the pulpit. I see Obama resigned today. How convenient. Obama associated with Louis Farrakhan, a racist and anti-Semite. Obama associated with William Ayers, an unrepentant bomber. << MM - Oh, sorry. I had responded to that, but ended up editing my response. Your reactions to Obama are all based on very small pieces of the overall picture. The drug use comment should be viewed within the context of his overall message with respect to drugs. He has said that his drug use was a youthful mistake. He does not encourage drug use among young people. I am not going to go over the Rev. Wright thing again, because it was done to death here. I will only say that there are far more videos of Wright giving sermons about God's love and Jesus' love than there are inflammatory ones about white people. They're out there, and I've provided links to them more than once here. Your statement that Obama "associated" with Louis Farrakhan is false. Obama has consistently denounced Farrakhan. Farrakhan did endorse Obama, which endorsement Obama did not seek, and which he rejected. He did associate with William Ayers, who was involved with The Weather Underground, also known as the Weathermen, a group that did some bombings in the late 60s, when Obama was eight years old. A lot of people in Chicago have associated with Ayers, who hasn't been involved with the Weathermen for several decades. Ayers was not, by the way, ever convicted of any crime. I look forward to Obama being elected. You will find that Ayers and Wright and Farrakhan will be sidelined, and will be as irrelevant to current events at that time as George Bush and Dick Cheney. - Allen

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69870)	6/1/2008 10:18:07 AM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540950

MM I can see your points but let me attempt to mitigate some of them or at last have you think about the following. I moved away from guilt by association in the fifties with the McCarthy hearings and since I knew that many of my dearest friends had communist leanings... I learned from them and it widened my scope on life. I did not divorce myself from them neither did I become political as they were. I did not become Jewish although most of my life has been spent with Jews. From them I once said that I learned more than all of my college courses: Culturally and aesthetically. What happened was the ability to see many sides of the octagon and accept that diversity only gives breath and depth to ones perceptions. Without the exposure that I have had from the junior league, DAR to working with all blacks in a center where I was the only white I grew and this is the one thing that Obama has. The varied back ground both Christian and Muslim. He has the influence of being both black and white. Rather than hold these what I consider "growth gifts" as a detriment I hold them in some esteem. Can you see your way through to accepting this ?

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69870)	6/2/2008 11:42:10 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 540950

MM, I know you feel a tad picked on here, but this is why. This morning while checking on the Larry Johnson rumors, I saw a post on another thread that just amazed me. It listed out of context O. quotes, including the one about defending the rights of American Muslims, exactly the problem we were discussing here, and only ONE person had the intellectual curiosity and honesty to check the full quote and context and post it. The out of context post received 11 recs, and some comments about how O. shouldn't be elected on that basis right there! Not one did what you did, which is admit it read quite differently in context. It also included at least one other quote that was on the list and placed in context in the post I sent Lane. Even after the contexted quote was posted, people obviously failed to read it and discriminate between Muslims and the rights of American Muslims. Frankly, the readiness to believe without factchecking or thought just stunned me.