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To: Katelew who wrote (83602)	9/11/2008 10:51:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541922

Katelew you thought your statement was self evident because you want it to be, but there is no evidence for it. For me that's not about belittling - it's about having no evidence. For the record, I think Lane was hung up on the no evidence thing too. I understand that like Bridge Player you may have a personal opinion about this, but as Freakonomics so clearly illustrates, many times those things that seem "evident" are just wrong.

To: Katelew who wrote (83602)	9/11/2008 6:14:07 PM
From: freelyhovering	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541922

I think there might be some truth in what you have observed but it is not a universal in our society; especially in the African-American communities in large cities. More important is the presence of a stable father. Many families I saw during my AFDC case work in L.A. were very religious but without a real papa in the home, wild boys frequently ensued. It sometimes happened anyways when there were no jobs or a vision that the young boys had a future, except in the 'Hood.

To: Katelew who wrote (83602)	9/12/2008 2:34:20 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541922

>>Socioeconomics are real, and poverty is a breeding ground for all of society's ills. But parents with religious faith can mitigate much of the impact of poverty on their children's lives by their nurturing, their responsible oversight, and their giving of hope and confidence to their child that obstacles can be overcome.<< Kate - Yes, I agree that parents with religious faith can do a marvelous job raising their kids. As can parents without religious faith. I've met Syb and her three children, and I can tell you just from the one short meeting that they are very fine people. They've been raised right. I think you'd also have to agree that parents with religious faith can still be flawed people, who could abuse, neglect, or otherwise mess up their children and cause exactly the kind of behavior problems you're talking about. - Allen