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To: epicure who wrote (102723)	2/1/2009 12:29:57 PM
From: quehubo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 543776

What is a republican business or a democratic one? We could simply make sure employers can verify legals status without a doubt and then imprison them if they hire illegals. Along with this threat a large number would have to be legalized. Before that the borders would have to be controlled much better. Or perhaps if business owners in jail made headlines illegals would not feel the opportunity existed in the USA. Most everyone benefits from the exploitation of illegals when making the purchase. But the social costs are enormous. It is not just business owners, but consumers. Ultimately taxpayers and workers on the low end of wage scale are impacted the most.

To: epicure who wrote (102723)	2/1/2009 12:37:26 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 543776

Certainly there are analogs between the drug business and illegal labor. They both are customarily used by a large portion of the population in opposition to an ineffective set of laws that attempts to regulate and criminalize it. There are larger issues -the economics favor illegals to come here. As long as individuals hire the illegals to do work (knowingly) to save 20 to 60%, the problem will continue. As long as businesses hire contractors with "Don't ask, don't tell" it will be a problem. As long as the Catholic Church and local custom insists on no birth control, being concerned more with "being fruitful and multiplying" than standard of living, the root causes of high population and poverty, the supply of semi-skilled labor will be unlimited. IMO the ONLY solution to illegals is to make things so good at home that they don't want to leave. Are American's willing to have an economy that is so sh_tty that Mexicans refuse to work here? Well those that "hate illegals" may be getting their wish. Hopefully it won't get so bad that I and everyone else turns around and tries to work illegally in Mexico. We'd have a harder time because THEY are not easy on illegal immigrants or businesses that hire them. We wouldn't be able to own anything there. Our children would never become citizens. It made me furious when Jose Lopez Portillo said he liked to think of the U.S. as a "Safety Valve" for Mexico's excess population. WTF?! Talk about ignoring a problem. We aren't getting the best and brightest, we're getting people who can't make it in their home country and are willing to do the riskiest and most difficult work here for more money.

To: epicure who wrote (102723)	2/1/2009 12:44:51 PM
From: slacker711	Respond to of 543776

I see a lot of republicans and republican businesses benefiting from illegal help. And you have personal experience with that. So what do we do? How do we make you do the right thing, and demand American workers on your house? We do this the same way we "encourage" doing the right thing in so many other areas....make the cost of employing illegals far greater than the possible benefit. Many of the illegals are employed by established businesses that would have quite a bit to lose. As long as they knew that there was a not insignificant risk of being caught, they would change their behavior rather quickly. Slacker