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To: RetiredNow who wrote (5726)	3/6/2009 12:42:35 PM
From: Hawkmoon	2 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 86350

I want our cops, FBI, and other security apparatus to have a court order with good justification to conduct invasive investigations. FISA took that right away. Listen.. when individuals residing in the US, but calling overseas (or using overseas networks) come up on the radar as a link to terrorist activity, it's VERY important not to "spook" them and have them run for the bushes. We want to know who they are in contact with in order to develop an association matrix of the overall network. Intelligence collection and analysis is NOT law enforcement. It's mission is to operate to safeguard our national security. There is liaison with FBI (which has primary domestic counter-intelligence jurisdiction) at the appropriate time, but the primary consideration is to prevent and interdict terrorist activities, and the second priority is to break down and neutralize the network. FISA exists for the purpose of acting as a legal gatekeeper against over-exuberant intelligence collection. And I have no doubt that abuses might occur from time to time, but they are very few. I've played around in those circles while I was in Iraq. I have an inkling about the legal hurdles that must be vaulted before we're permitted to collect on US citizens (or resident aliens). Hawk

To: RetiredNow who wrote (5726)	3/6/2009 1:05:20 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86350

Throwing out crap statements like "Bush loved to talk about mushroom clouds... to trample our constitutional rights" is silly imo. As far as FISA being proof of our rights being trampled, I'm surprised that you don't see that. FISA was established by Congress and has been okayed by the Supreme Court. Why are you a greater expert on the constitution than they are? Should it be evident to me or anyone else that this guy mindmeld on the internet knows more the Supreme Court, both Republican and Democratic Congresses, and six Presidents (Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama) all of whom accept FISA as constitutional? Taking a position this extreme isn't helping convince anyone you're haven't been brain-washed by leftwing propaganda.