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To: Solon who wrote (7273)6/10/2009 2:39:32 PM
From: E. Charters  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 17090
 
I know. The mainstream medicos, and many of their total adherents want anyone advising alternative, or naturopathic, or patient driven medicine to 'back off'. The message is 'you are always wrong', "we is the sientists", "it's life or death and you are on the death side", etc.. They won't allow much room to manoeuver. The other side gets entrenched and lobs epithet over the castle wall like "big pharma", "white coat clique", or perhaps even more radically, "the medical establishment" or "the AMA Mafia". FDA is a bogeyman word too.

"They are all after money, way too unconcerned about their patients, warehousing patients, dispensing economic medicince, etc.." (assuming someone is thinking that) well there are legitimate concerns in both camps. It is often life and death. And non siuntists are likely to get it wrong, as the information is confusing and conflicting, the doctors are, or should be the scientists. They are however overloaded with patients, as the practice is way too high cost, the FDA is perforce a bit hidebound, doctors are way undereducated in dietary matters, pharmaceutical companies are understandably loathe to promote cheap, more efficacious, less toxic, generic or even hardware store alternatives. (For the life of me I thought this was all about life and death, not money, can't they keep it straight?) Big Pharma will not promote niacin, test inositol hexanicotinate, or folic acid for HD and gout. I can't see them doing that. (Actually Niaspan is just an attempt to duplicate niacin's action and eliminate the flush without liver problems..) I am sure it is not evil, as medicine is a business. It has to clear a profit or at least pay its employees a living, competitive wage. So how do we fill the gap? Will government step in and do the studies, let the people know and promote the possibility of over the counter medications being efficacious where warranted? Nope. You are on your own. They will do studies on fuel efficiencies of vehicles, but it is up to Ralph Nader to see if they are really safe or well made. Often the consumer is on his own. It's caveat emptor. Believe it, even (especially?) with the socialized medicine, you are a statistic, deserving of one lousy standard of care that a bankrupt government that is pork barreled, overcharged and boondoogled up its ying yang can afford to give you.

I am not shy about relating my experiences with prescribed medicine (admittedly just what the doctor ordered often) and not shy about saying what I believe. Plaque reduction and metabolic syndrome treatment is a matter of heavy patient involvement where your methods with diet and supplements will way out beat (low class expression thrown in for primitive emphasis) what modern medicine will throw at you. You can clear your arteries without a bypass. And once you have bypass, the lipitor and BP pills you were on will do nothing for you. You will need another bypass 5 years later.
The answer is in your grocery store, at the pharmacy and health food store over the counter, and in some limited but vitally necessary exercise every day you must take. You can't vegetate and live well. It won't happen. But you cannot also at certain ages with certain genetics eat crap and expect to avoid trouble no matter what you do in the gym. That won't happen either. That is the VITAL MESSAGE. Once you are compromised YOU MUST LIVE THERAPEUTICALLY! You must eat right. "Cutting the fat, and watching what you eat is hooey." It is just talk. I have heard those lies before. You have to go all the way. Organic or go home. Cut out all fats, all meats period, except for fish. Cut out butter, whole milk, white foods, white breads, starches, sugars, insecticide laced foods, herbicide laced foods, soft drinks, 7-11 foods. Eat whole foods, greens, veggies, skim milk, fish, beans, soy, etc..

One by one the anti anti's have taken issue with individual prohibitions I have outlined and said, "oh but butyric acid is good for you. Meat protein is necessary and meat diets have given health for centuries. Indians needed 40% fat in their pemmican for health. Innu and Innuit ate whale blubber for health." It is tempting to inch by inch, morsel by morsel, trans fat by trans fat go over to the "tasty fat camp". But you have to remember that the Inuit to get his day's work done walked the equivalent of 15 miles, and the Masai tribesmen on his high fat diet drank red bush tea all day and walked 20 miles, the Cretan with his limited grain and meat diet, ate pounds of tuna every day and walked 10 kms in the mountains every day. Their arteries were on the average naturally enlarged over ours by constant strenuous exercise by a factor of at least 2. To get an idea what these people would do daily, get a standard canvas pack, fill it with 40 lbs of goods, 3 liters of water, and walk 15 miles on a dirt road in the hot sun, up hill. How do you feel?

I will relieve you of the need to eat organic, stick to coloured veggies and fish if you will recreate the exercise load of your ancestors 2000 years ago. If not, trust, me stay away from un-necessary oxidized fat/cholesterol. You don't need it. A marathon runner does not need it. Marathon runners can get by on what the average North American eats in calories per day. And if you are hypercholesteroleamic by nature, you sure don't need it no how.

EC<:-}



To: Solon who wrote (7273)6/10/2009 4:05:55 PM
From: John Carragher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 17090
 
i getting a phone at att store woman had double bypass eight months ago. still not taking vitamins or watching her diet. exercise.. must get to it... she appeared in late forties.



To: Solon who wrote (7273)6/13/2009 3:18:45 PM
From: average joe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 17090
 
Did you know that before Usain Bolt won the Olympic gold in 100, 200 and 4 x 100 m relay he lived mostly on a diet of yams and chicken mcnuggets.

Well, off to get the groceries.

Ponokee's Shopping List

eggs
water
bread
bass ale

salt
tuna
pepper
onions

butter
cheese
marmite
maple syrup

juice
coffee
sugar cubes
condensed milk

3 giant yams
1 grace hot sauce
100 chicken mcnuggets