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To: Bearcatbob who wrote (118714)	8/18/2009 8:05:14 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541854

Until we demand honesty from government we will get more of the same and it will be what we deserve. And your response to the observation that the RW is lying about the healthcare reform issues is to say everyone does it. How does that advance the cause of honesty. Seems to me it trivializes the issue rather than makes it important.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (118714)	8/18/2009 8:07:20 PM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541854

Political rhetoric of each side is standard practice. Where one side sees the other as having willful ignorance the other sees a true religion. Until we demand honesty from government we will get more of the same and it will be what we deserve. While I agree in general with your sentiment, I cannot recall a more egregious lie, repeated with more fervor by top party officials and spokespersons, than the "death panel" lie. BTW, global warming is a fact. The debate is over whether or not humans have contributed to it and/or can do anything to alleviate it.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (118714)	8/18/2009 8:07:50 PM
From: Paul Kern	Respond to of 541854

Political rhetoric of each side is standard practice. I see that you really are a genius. Is MENSA knocking down your door?

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (118714)	8/18/2009 8:46:47 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541854

"scare tactics over Global Warming fit this category. Next - by many it is embraced as gospel - is it willful ignorance?" Is it maybe real? Hot water happenin' with no sunspots? It's been over 100 years, and nobody has been able to disprove Arrhenius... In its original form, Arrhenius' greenhouse law reads as follows: if the quantity of carbonic acid increases in geometric progression, the augmentation of the temperature will increase nearly in arithmetic progression. This simplified expression is still used today: ?F = a ln(C/C0) en.wikipedia.org Maybe you don't know enuf science to be scared. Therefore, watch the signs.. NOAA: Warmest Global Ocean Surface Temperatures on Record for July August 14, 2009 The planet’s ocean surface temperature was the warmest on record for July, breaking the previous high mark established in 1998 according to an analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. The combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for July 2009 ranked fifth-warmest since world-wide records began in 1880. June's record ocean warmth worries fishermen, environmentalists Brendan Doyle, Mcclatchy Newspapers – Sun Aug 16, 6:00 am ET WASHINGTON — Ocean surface temperatures around the world were the warmest on record for the month of June, according to federal scientists, though they caution that one month doesn't necessarily imply global warming. Message 25869386 Antarctic glacier 'thinning fast' By David Shukman Science and environment correspondent, BBC News One of the largest glaciers in Antarctica is thinning four times faster than it was 10 years ago, according to research seen by the BBC. Message 25863454 The predicted feedback starts.. Methane seeps from Arctic sea bed By Judith Burns Science and environment reporter, BBC News Scientists say they have evidence that the powerful greenhouse gas methane is escaping from the Arctic sea bed. Researchers say this could be evidence of a predicted positive feedback effect of climate change. Message 25872685