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To: gregor who wrote (30)	11/5/1997 12:44:00 AM
From: Jim Armstrong	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1283

This one has been a puzzle to me. As you indicate, the Greek Kurios is ambiguous and might refer simply to the master of the servant, or might refer to our Lord. In either case, it still seems inconsistent with other similar teachings. My conclusion? This is an uneducated guess, but maybe we are missing some wry humor here. As you suggest, the master of the servant is sorta out of options. I can kinda visualize him with his hands on his hips, scowling at the steward; then breaking into laughter at the ridiculousness of the situation, and "complimenting" the steward on his resourcefulness. I don't think he was any less aggravated about the betrayal; just resigned. One thing strikes me as particularly instructive; the loss of the money didn't provoke him to violence, or (at least in the story) cause him to resort to the law. That suggests that the loss, however unpleasant, didn't ruin his day! It was just money!(as much as it pains me to say that!) His pragmatism and ironic response lead me to speculate that they maybe flow from a Jewish heritage. I dunno! Applying the consistency test, it is clear that the apparent meaning is inconsistent with most if not all of the remainder of the scripture. The consistency test is one of the main tests we gotta use to keep us from going off on tangents in response to isolated phrases or wordings that appear to teach goofy things. In this case, treachery is not exactly one of the desirable Christ-like attributes, huh? So we must be missing somethin', somewhere in carrying this story over into our world and language. On the other hand, God gave us minds and the capacity to reason. I don't think he expects us to bury both in the sand (there I go with that steward stuff again, huh?). And maybe a part of this teaching is not to get too serious about money? - JimA

To: gregor who wrote (30)	11/6/1997 1:35:00 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1283

Gregor, Did the Lord commend the unjust steward???!! His master did, but does master <=> God? Everbody assumes this, but why must it be so? 9 I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings. Perhaps the above verse has been misinterpreted -- Maybe Jesus was speaking cynically of the folly of the unjust steward's conniving. That is, Such kind of dealing will not get you into heaven, though it may preserve you a little while on this earth. This is the only thing that makes sense to me given the scriptures following. How could what the unjust steward did be considered commendable. He covered up his misdeeds with a lie. Such would only be commendable with the sons of this age, IMO. God desires honest hearts. Interested in others opinions. Regards Barry

To: gregor who wrote (30)	1/27/1998 10:45:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1283

My dear, dear brother Gregor, I have felt so badly about what happened to your dear little thread as a result of the strange way life went for me in the last three months. It seemed to spill back over here, which was absurd. But I can only take so much, and then there is a time we have to say something vaguely realistic, rather than our nice platitudes which sometimes accomplish nothing. Or if we speak only in scripture does it ever return void? The only problem is, sometimes the scripture itself can be used as a blunt instrument. So, all I want is for the thread to be cleansed of all un-right-eous-ness, as in un-right, and return to a place of peace, joy and happiness where people can discuss their problems and our Precious Lord who solves them all. Gregor, we have a list of people we are not crazy about, but pray for. Then in the course of time we have people who mean way too much, and it is very necessary to pray for them. Please let us all pray each day for the people in each others lives that we simply cannot stand the thought of showing up at the day, and looking around, and not seeing them. It is so sad sometimes to comprehend, but it seems it is all getting nearer, and it is, of course, no matter how we look at it. Gregor, I don't see much past 24 months. I really don't. If there is a tremendous change in the weather this spring, well, that will make me even more spooked for the prospects of the living things on the earth, and my feeling is that it is going to get very, very bad very, very quickly. It is just blank. So, my concern is what I do between now and then. If we're all still here then we can laugh about it or something, but I like you feel this is a time to pray a lot. That doesn't mean I'm not still buying fields and planning for things of earth, but definitely with reserve. :)