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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: RetiredNow who wrote (17496)	4/30/2010 5:06:49 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Hell, I can tell you that I personally have witnessed an incredible loss in weight when I shifted to low fat foods Did you just change the composition of the food, or did you change the amount of food (in calories), amount of exercise, etc.? You really should watch the movie called "Supersize Me". Look at the name. Supersize, in other words very large portions. A lot of calories, not just a high percentage of the calories from fat (in fact the super-sized fast food meals, while hardly low fat, have a lot of protein (the burger), and carbs (the bun, some of the budget toppings, all the sugar in the soft drink). I'm not as anti-carb as some, but it seems to be the problem in Supersize Me, has more to do with size than fat percentage.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (17496)	4/30/2010 6:40:11 PM
From: Lane3	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

You really should watch the movie called "Supersize Me". Perhaps you missed "Fathead." It debunks "Supersize Me." And it's pretty funny. You really think it is a myth that fatty foods contribute to obesity? Of course fatty foods contribute to obesity when you eat too much of them. Non-fatty foods contribute to obesity when you eat too much of them, too. Fatty foods had been thought to be worse because a gram of fat has 9 calories whereas a gram of protein or sugar has only 4. Still are in some circles. But fats and proteins are more satiating than carbohydrates so it is easier to not overconsume. Overconsumption is the enemy, not the fat. Americans have the incredible ability to rationalize anything to continue their over-consumption of everything from food to oil to you name it. A little critical thinking here, please. Fatty food and food overconsumption are two different things. Even on a low fat diet people eat fat. The body needs fat to survive. The body needs protein to survive. The body does not need a bit of carbohydrate to survive. If you eat a low-fat diet, you are inevitably eating a high carbohydrate diet. Carbohydrates stimulate insulin, which fosters fat storage and metabolic syndrome. Overconsumption is more complicated than fatty foods. Not to mention good fats vs bad fats. Exactly what evidence do you have that overturns all the volumes of studies that prove that they do contribute to obesity? Volumes? Got some examples? I think those studies are a figment. You know what they say. If you repeat something often enough... Hell, I can tell you that I personally have witnessed an incredible loss in weight when I shifted to low fat foods as a result of my high cholesterol several years ago. And now that low fat foods are a habit, I've kept that weight off. And I can tell you that personally have witnessed an incredible loss in weight when I shifted to a low-carb diet. About 60% of my calories come from fat. I had followed the standard advice for decades, the same advice you got, and got fatter and fatter and sicker and sicker. Since I wised up I have lost 40% of my body weight, am registered in the National Weight Control Registry, and am off all my meds. My last HDL was 84 and my triglycerides, 41. Can you top that? It smacks of seriously, willful blindness to me. Willful blindness? Not hardly. I keep up with the literature. And I read the actual studies, not the sloppy reporting on them. The dogma is slowly being debunked. I'm not trying to out-anecdote you here, just pointing out that the dogma wears no clothes. Most recently I've seen studies about different body types and how some respond better to one diet, others to a different diet. IIRC, about sixty percent are better suited to low carb and the rest to low fat. Of course those studies are new and need to re replicated. I am happy for your success. Most people in the Registry lost and control their weight via low fat. So I think that an "I'm OK, you're OK" approach is the most reasonable one. Dogma puts round pegs into square holes, where they get fatter and fatter. I think that blaming it all on fatty foods is, at best, too simplistic. And it's really dangerous when made into public policy.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (17496)	4/30/2010 7:11:31 PM
From: John Koligman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

OT Hey Mindmeld, I was smiling when I saw Bobby Jindal talking about 'Federal help' for the oil spill. Last we heard from him on a national level I don't believe he was a big fan of the Feds... Funny how 'private industry' runs to the government when they have a 'problem'.. They are now saying this thing may leak for months... Awaiting comment from 'drill baby drill Sarah' <ggg>... John From: Travis_Bickle 4/30/2010 4:45:28 PM 3 Recommendations of 246367 What's going on with the BP platform proves we don't have to put more oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. All we have to do is punch holes in the ocean floor and all the oil will wash up on shore where it can be easily collected. /it's just Louisiana and Mississippi