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Strategies & Market Trends : 2026 TeoTwawKi ... 2032 Darkest Interregnum -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (66484)	9/25/2010 6:20:20 PM
From: TobagoJack	6 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 219932

hamoon, do not be cute. enough americans believed that america had opportunity to march upto and beyond the yalu river and voiced as such, and given track record, would most likely have done so per culture imperative, and luckily was faced down and stopped. now prosperity in the hinterland team america had started to, was faced down, and stopped at vietnam once the french pooped out. now prosperity in the ancestral land. re korean war, this is telling hnn.us "... In 2003 I participated in a conference with US veterans of the Korean war. During a discussion about napalm, a survivor who lost an eye in the Changjin (in Japanese, Chosin) Reservoir battle said it was indeed a nasty weapon -- but "it fell on the right people." (Ah yes, the "right people" -- a friendly-fire drop on a dozen US soldiers.) He continued: "Men all around me were burned. They lay rolling in the snow. Men I knew, marched and fought with begged me to shoot them . . . It was terrible. Where the napalm had burned the skin to a crisp, it would be peeled back from the face, arms, legs . . . like fried potato chips." (2) Soon after that incident, George Barrett of the New York Times had found "a macabre tribute to the totality of modern war" in a village near Anyang, in South Korea: "The inhabitants throughout the village and in the fields were caught and killed and kept the exact postures they held when the napalm struck -- a man about to get on his bicycle, 50 boys and girls playing in an orphanage, a housewife strangely unmarked, holding in her hand a page torn from a Sears-Roebuck catalogue crayoned at Mail Order No 3,811,294 for a $2.98 'bewitching bed jacket -- coral'." US Secretary of State Dean Acheson wanted censorship authorities notified about this kind of "sensationalised reporting," so it could be stopped. (3) One of the first orders to burn towns and villages that I found in the archives was in the far southeast of Korea, during heavy fighting along the Pusan Perimeter in August 1950, when US soldiers were bedevilled by thousands of guerrillas in rear areas. On 6 August a US officer requested "to have the following towns obliterated" by the air force: Chongsong, Chinbo and Kusu-dong. B-29 strategic bombers were also called in for tactical bombing. On 16 August five groups of B-29s hit a rectangular area near the front, with many towns and villages, creating an ocean of fire with hundreds of tons of napalm. Another call went out on the 20 August. On 26 August I found in this same source the single entry: "fired 11 villages." (4) Pilots were told to bomb targets that they could see to avoid hitting civilians, but they frequently bombed major population centres by radar, or dumped huge amounts of napalm on secondary targets when the primary one was unavailable. In a major strike on the industrial city of Hungnam on 31 July 1950, 500 tons of ordnance was delivered through clouds by radar; the flames rose 200-300 feet into the air. The air force dropped 625 tons of bombs over North Korea on 12 August, a tonnage that would have required a fleet of 250 B-17s in the second world war. By late August B-29 formations were dropping 800 tons a day on the North. (5) Much of it was pure napalm. From June to late October 1950, B-29s unloaded 866,914 gallons of napalm. ..." and that was before china intervention, and afterwards ... "... The Chinese entry caused an immediate escalation of the air campaign. From November 1950, General Douglas MacArthur ordered that a wasteland be created between the fighting front and the Chinese border, destroying from the air every "installation, factory, city, and village" over thousands of square miles of North Korean territory. As a well-informed British attaché to MacArthur's headquarters observed, except for Najin near the Soviet border and the Yalu dams (both spared so as not to provoke Moscow or Beijing), MacArthur's orders were "to destroy every means of communication and every installation, and factories and cities and villages. This destruction is to start at the Manchurian border and to progress south." ..." ... followed later by mass machine gunning of s.korean women, children and old men. that is the korean war i heard about. what was spun to you that you use to this day as rationale on all manner of military adventures?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (66484)	9/25/2010 6:38:59 PM
From: TobagoJack	7 Recommendations Respond to of 219932

hello hamoon, a separate note, to keep the thoughts single item and easy to follow. <<the current policy is to invade afghanistan. yes? I think you're about 9 years late for that.. Now it's to repel TALIBAN INVADERS and create an Afghan government that can govern and defend it's population.>> ... nuff said and no comment, except to say between soviet interventionism and american interventionism, afghanistan is quite a mess. perhaps chinese road builders, biomb defusers, teachers, doctors, and mining engineers can repair the damage done by the unthinking. <<And btw, the Taliban kill FAR MORE CIVILIANS (including children) than any errant bombs/bullets from US soldiers. And they do it DELIBERATELY.>> ... as demo-ed in korea and vietnam, team america is also killing women and children DELIBERATELY, and so perhaps it is apt that you drew the comparative as you did. Current official policies must be read between the lines, before 30 years pass and the truth inevitably come to sordid light. <<pakistan is just about to become a failed state as cambodia was made to fail. yes? Pakistan has been a "failed state" since the 1990's (or even earlier). It's on the verge of a civil war between Muslim fundamentalists/Jihadists and secularists.>> ... come come, pakistan was no more failing than philippines or mexico or usa. it is failing now. <<If they could control their borders and prevent Taliban forces from invading Afghanistan, there wouldn't be any reason for drone attack or bombings.>> ... team america is now controlling the borders? to what effect? do tell. <<What has China's role been in helping Afghanistan to secure it's borders, other than mining their copper ore under US protection?>> china had been doing this google.com and that asianewsnet.net "NATO seeks Chinese rebuilding help for Kabul" and something else gov.cn hospitals worldblog.msnbc.msn.com mines and all that is needed for mines, including more medical facilities, roads, schools, etc "... While Stanikzai admits insurgents may want to target Aynak, he thinks security does not pose as great a threat as some think. "If you don't have the support of the local villagers and the local community, you can't get security," he said. "But everyone supports this copper mine project." ... and china does not shoot defenseless afghan civilians. let us just say china has a different approach than america.