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To: Little Joe who wrote (147831)	10/22/2010 11:12:13 AM
From: loantech	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542007

Same as the insurance companies which charge more.

To: Little Joe who wrote (147831)	10/22/2010 11:16:43 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542007

Just like insurance companies do? Sorry; another lie. False: Government Will Decide What Care I Get (a.k.a. they won’t give grandma a hip replacement) This untrue claim has its roots in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (the stimulus bill), which called for the creation of a Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. The council is charged with supporting and coordinating research that the government has been funding for years into which treatments work best, and in some cases, are most cost-effective. Supporters of this type of research say it can provide valuable information to doctors, improving care and also lowering cost. Betsy McCaughey, a former Republican lieutenant governor of New York (and now a professing Democrat), wrote in an opinion piece that the government would actually tell doctors what procedures they could and couldn’t perform. The claim took off from there, popping up in chain e-mails and Republican press conferences. It’s not true. The legislation specifically says that the council can’t issue requirements or guidelines on treatment or insurance benefits: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009: Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the Council to mandate coverage, reimbursement, or other policies for any public or private payer. … None of the reports submitted under this section or recommendations made by the Council shall be construed as mandates or clinical guidelines for payment, coverage, or treatment. As for the health care bills themselves, the House’s H.R. 3200 sets up a center to conduct and gather such research within the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, an entity the CBO called “the most prominent federal agency supporting various types of research on the comparative effectiveness of medical treatments." Like the stimulus legislation, the bill states that: "Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the Commission or the Center to mandate coverage, reimbursement, or other policies for any public or private payer.’’ The Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee bill (not yet released in its entirety) calls for a similar center that “will promote health outcomes research and evaluation that enables patients and providers to identify which therapies work best for most people and to effectively identify where more personalized approaches to care are necessary for others,” according to the summary of the bill. This claim also stems from a fear that the U.S. will institute a system like that of the U.K., where the government provides and pays for health care. But none of the bills now being debated in Congress call for such a system, and the president has said he doesn’t want nationalized or single-payer health care, as we’ve said several times. factcheck.org

To: Little Joe who wrote (147831)	10/22/2010 11:46:52 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542007

Little Joe; Call it what you like the fact is the government is going to be deciding what treatment is available to you and which are not. Completely false. You can save your money up and pay for whatever services you want. You're not limited by what the government pays. The government does decide what treatment is "available to you" but why in gawds name would you want it any other way? With today's science you would want to leave medical care in the hands of snake oil salesmen with no controls? That's insane.