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Politics : Evolution -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (9539)	11/8/2010 5:24:00 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

You are a Born Loser. You are a Sore Loser. And...you are such a sloooooooowwwww learner! YUCK! I won't waste too much of my time with you here! I gave you three free premises to present as hypothetically true without evidence or support. I then allowed you to tweak those premises through a question and answer format. I then watched quietly while you dug yourself 20 feet under--and I impatiently* waited while you covered yourself up with manure!* I won't refer those many posts where all you did was run your mouth. Your reputation on SI allows almost anyone to predict your mouth-piece responses, after all... :-) The pertinent links are these: Message 26939199 Where you state: Major Premise: Everything that has a beginning has an antecedent cause. Minor premise: The universe had a beginning. Conclusion: The Universe has an antecedent cause. Message 26942674 "The physical universe is an effect. It's antecedent cause is not part of the physical universe." ________________ <<“When you say "The universe" do you mean the set of everything that exists AND everything that begins to exist (yes or no), ">> “No.” <<Does the universe include everything?>> “No <<Does your use of "universe" reference the SET of everything that exists AND everything that begins to exist?>> “No." The universe does not include everything that exists nor everything that begins to exist. Message 26944232 “The Universe is a thing.“ Message 26944523 <<"Does everything include the universe?">> “Yes, but the universe does not include everything.“ “Of course there very well may be things that are not part of the created physical universe that also had a beginning. In that case I see no reason that those "effects" would not also fall under the first premise: "Everything that has a beginning has an antecedent cause." “ Message 26945227 ___________________________________________ So, your premises are as follows: Everything that has a beginning has an antecedent cause. Everything includes the universe. Everything includes more than the universe ("the universe does not include everything"). So the universe is the set of "some things" Some (total)thing (a set) apart from the universe (that includes the universe) is the set of ALL things (everything). (and unless "all things" is an infinite set then it must have a numerical boundary). As some things exist outside the universe (you said so)--these things were caused, or they were uncaused. I was willing to give you hanging rope for free premises (and I did, and you used the rope wonderfully) but now you have "proven" by your premises that the universe is some and not all and that things exist in the set which the universe is a subset of--*and I guess you wish us to guess at whether these things are caused or uncaused--beginning or begun or bewildered--don't you??* Your invented "things" obviously came before the Big Bang so what scientist or logician do you sleep with who knows about these things?? I am not going to guess at whether your imaginary things outside the universe are cause or uncaused. I am not going to guess at what these "things" are. Whether they are physical or mental or "ether" or immaterial "energy". YOU apparently know about these things. But nobody else does! These things do not follow from any logical premises--not even from the free, gratuitous, and VERY suspicious premises you chose!! Your wisdom is going back before and apart form the big bang. You go there, now--PLEASE. You get on your bow-legged Shetland pony and you exceed the speed of light for a billion light years and you go there! Go anywhere but here... :-) Because all your running of the mouth proved here was that you are "infinitely" stupid. :-) Just kidding! No evidence for that! And btw, if your premises were poorly stated and you meant to state "all green things that had a beginning were caused by another thing that wasn't either "green" or "ALL""--(LOL!!!!)--please be my guest!!! We will keep the lights on for you, kiddo! (The really BRIGHT lights!!)!!!