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To: Little Joe who wrote (149962)	11/13/2010 11:24:17 AM
From: Suma	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541938

LJ If you read Leviticus in the Bible you will see where all the religious patriots get their information on gays... homosexuality to be specific. Whenever there is a person who takes a strong stand against gays this Chapter of the Old Testament is quoted. AND as far as other countries. They differ in their offering civil rights to gays. I come from the position of civil rights... in the Constitution. You would be surprised and I can research it for you how many countries allow marriage between persons of the same sex. AND how many allow gays to serve openly in the military. However it's pure bigotry emanating primarily from Biblical thinking that influences all of our thinking on these matters. The fact that we can even have this discussion tells me that you are not a church goer as I see in both States where I live. NC is the most egregious on matters of sex and religion as the Southern Baptists a strong opponent of both positions on gays have the majority of churches there. Not that you don't go to church but it apparently is not the center of your life which it is with so many persons I know.

To: Little Joe who wrote (149962)	11/13/2010 12:27:20 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541938

I have never felt that the religious beliefs of others intrudes on my freedom. I would say that the issue of gay marriage is pretty clearly tied to religion since the Bible speaks against homosexuality in numerous passages and all world religions condemn it. Abortion....perhaps.....although one doesn't have to be religious to reject it as an answer to an unwanted pregnancy. Bluestocking isn't religious but she has said that neither she nor her daughters would have an abortion. Most women feel an instinctive antipathy to abortion is my guess. But liberals do have something of an argument here, I think. What they overlook, though, is the impact on their lives by people who lack religious training and committment and thus by definition would be termed secularists. Take any destructive behavior....DUI, criminal acts of rage, child and wife abuse, juvenile deliquency, teen pregnancies, murder, theft, rape, etc. etc.. These are not the acts of people who attend churches or synagogues in a regular and devout manner. The children of families who maintain an active church life do not go off to school unfed, unprepared, and ready to act out in the classroom. There are exceptions, and those exceptions are hit on by the media, but in realtity they are rare. But all of us are impacted one way or another by these destructive behaviors of people who fall under the label of "secularist". Some of us are physically injured or even killed. Some of us have to deal with the problems they create in the workplace or classroom. All of us pay our tax dollars in to clean up the mess of their "secular" lives.....prisons, drug rehab, higher car and medical insurance, welfare payments, to name a few of the real costs. Now, before I get barraged with posts that state the obvious....that people don't have to be religious to lead good lives....let me say I know that. Similarly, I'm not saying secularists are "bad" people. All I'm saying is that if all American were divided into two groups. One being secularists. The other being active participants in some kind of organized religion. What you would find, statistically speaking, is that these destructive behaviors are coming out of the pool of non-religious, or secular, people. It's just a fact. Now I feel real sympathy for those whose lives are so dark and small that they would be incensed over God on their currency. Seriously, I do feel concern. But do we need more secularists and less of the religious among our citizenry? I don't think so.