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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neil H who wrote (96664)	7/12/2011 11:23:37 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

In a day when the rich are getting richer at the expense of the less fortunate, your talk about taxes sounds a very discordant chord and truly falls on deaf ears. You all are not paying your fair share.........that's why during the past ten years, the nation has been short revenues and the deficit has grown dramatically. During those same ten years, the rich have gained economic terrority and a greater share of the country's wealth while the rest of us are falling behind. No one wants to bleed you all dry..........no one is saying that. But like greedy little children, you all want to live in the most stable nation in the world but pay virtually no taxes. And given the current tax rates for the rich, you're paying the equivalent of a child's allowance. For that, you get an excellent quality of life in this country that allows you amass even more wealth. For that reason alone, you should gladly be willing to pay whatever this country asks. Instead, you pout and whine like children. Let them eat cake just doesn't cut it. Its enough. No matter how many times I tell you it doesnt sink in. I have no problem with the concept of taxes. In fact I pay quite a large amount of taxes. Something that about 1/2 of my fellow countrymen don't do (at least income taxes). Because I want the government to manage the money I and others provide in a fiscally responsible way before I give them more seems logical to me. Because I would like to retain as much of the money that I earn is logical. I will gladly give my fair share to the govt but I expect that they will use it responsibly. That often is not the case IMHO. I am suspect at those that cry "more taxes" because I suspect that they are ones that will not be paying more taxes. What they really want is others to pay more taxes. But not them. I and others have suggested to those on this thread crying for higher taxes to voluntarily start paying those higher tax rates. The Govt will be glad to accept your donation. Who here has done it?

To: Neil H who wrote (96664)	7/12/2011 11:55:28 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 149317

I thought Cantor walked await from the debt ceiling talks. Is he now your new Speaker of the House? Obama rejects GOP call to ‘screw students’ Now that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) is effectively negotiating on behalf of all Republican lawmakers, he’s taking the lead in recommending specific cuts during talks at the White House. The House majority leader, who did most of the talking for the Republican side, said those taking out student loans should start paying interest right away, rather than being able to defer payments until after graduation. It is a big-ticket item that would save $40 billion over 10 years. At one point, sources say, President Obama pushed back against the mounting menu of spending cuts while the tax column on the negotiating sheets remained blank. He asked the Republican leaders how they expected him to take their proposals seriously. “I’m not going to do that,” Obama said. “I’m not going to take money from old people and screw students,” not without some compromise on the tax-increase side. Some Republican senators have pushed to have these debt-reduction talks “in the light of day,” instead of behind closed doors, so the public can see what both parties are willing to fight for. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala) said of the Democratic approach, “What they’re advocating for, I don’t think would be popular.” Democrats should be so lucky as to have the country watch this process unfold and see exactly which priorities the parties are willing to fight for. In this case, Zaid Jilani explained, “Cantor’s proposal comes at a time when American students are already overwhelmed by student loan debt. In 2008, the average debt that a college student graduated with was a whopping $23,000. American students continue to pay more than most of their developed world neighbors for a college education, and Cantor apparently wants to make it even more difficult for them while not touching the richest Americans.”

To: Neil H who wrote (96664)	7/12/2011 12:00:39 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

Not only do your leaders not want the rich to pay more taxes but they think the poor and the middle class should be the ones to pony up more money. When did the GOP become the party of the Marie Antoinettes? Hatch falls in a ditch, keeps digging Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) has invested a surprising amount of time and energy lately complaining about taxes. That wouldn’t be surprising — Republicans complain about taxes a lot — except Hatch’s concern is that he wants more lower- and middle-income earners to pay more income taxes. He repeated the argument last week, and pushed it once again yesterday on the Senate floor. “It touched a nerve because last week after I raised this issue on the Senate floor, MSNBC and the liberal blogosphere — presumably armed with the talking points from the Senate Democrat war room — went ballistic suggesting that I wanted to balance the budget by raising taxes on the poor,” Hatch said. “I’m not surprised, but this completely misses my point and the point, and the point is this: no matter what these Democrats tell you, the wealthy and middle class are already shouldering around 100 percent of the nation’s tax burden, and 51 percent pay absolutely nothing in income taxes,” Hatch said. “Keep in mind, I don’t believe we should tax the truly poor, but now that’s up to 51 percent in just over two years of this administration — people who don’t pay income taxes,” Hatch said. “Are they all truly poor? I don’t know. All I know is that it doesn’t sound right that the majority of people — the majority of tax units — in this country do not pay income taxes, and the minority has to carry the burden.” As part of a joke I didn’t get, Hatch delivered his little harangue next to a photo of Thurston Howell III from Gilligan’s Island. There’s quite a bit wrong with this, but let’s note that Hatch believes his critics have “completely missed” his point. Actually, Hatch’s point is hard to miss: most Americans don’t make enough money to be eligible to pay income taxes. The senior senator from Utah thinks this “doesn’t sound right,” and wants to see it corrected. “The point” isn’t exactly subtle — lower- and middle-income families should get a tax increase under Hatch’s vision, so those with more wealth can be relieved of their “burden.” In case anyone’s forgotten, the relevant details matters here: millions of Americans may be exempt from income taxes, but they still pay sales taxes, state taxes, local taxes, Social Security taxes, Medicare/Medicaid taxes, and in many instances, property taxes. It’s not as if these folks are getting away with something — the existing tax structure leaves them out of the income tax system because they don’t make enough money to qualify. Hatch thinks that’s unacceptable and wants these folks to pay more. Good luck with that, Orrin.