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To: Sea Otter who wrote (624268)	8/14/2011 10:51:17 AM
From: bentway	Respond to of 1574679

I'm an agnostic, but, I like the alchemical theory, "As above, so below", for it's logical consistency. tree.org Just as we walk above the ants, and their society, hardly noticing them, occasionally squashing them beneath our unknowing feet, so goes the great hierarchy of beings both above and below us. It argues for many beings above us, with concerns and enthusiasms beyond our understanding, some with the powers of Gods. They aren't concerned with what we do, anymore than we are with ants or microbes, except when they affect US in some negative way.. Perhaps we have to fear the child of some greater being, with his metaphorical magnifying glass? The alchemists were concerned with advancing their state of being within the hierarchy. This had nothing to do with turning lead into gold, but that claim that often got them a soft gig with some monarch, and funding for their efforts.

To: Sea Otter who wrote (624268)	8/14/2011 11:14:21 AM
From: Taro	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574679

Have you considered that the creator might not be god? Guess that by 'god' you here mean the God of our bible, right? Yes, of course I have. I never said I am a believing dogmatic Christ. That is, however, a far cry from claiming that I am some sort of atheist. Frankly speaking, I have never spent too much time thinking about this IMHO very complex issue of which I would never come to a better understanding anyway. I am a way too humble person to jump the ship into the camp of atheist believers. But all in all, I believe that some kind of higher level creator must indeed have been involved, 'alien' or not. The idea that the molecules from some whatever level just happened to fall in place to create homo sapiens - or even a fly - IMHO is truly naive and those who believe that rather belong locked up in a rubber cell. All of above assuming that universe and life have not always existed, that is. But then again, where did man come from, has he also always existed somewhere? /Taro

To: Sea Otter who wrote (624268)	8/14/2011 1:58:02 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574679

Showing there was a creator or designer that is responsible for us being here doesn't validate Christianity over any other religions, but it does validate it over the godless accident that our society's liberals are pushing. A thousand years from now probably christianity will be extinct The Roiman emporers thought so too. Never been answered by theists - because they have no answer. Theists do have answers, just not ones atheists like. who created the creator? If you say he didn't need creation, then you just as easily apply that premise to the universe as well. Why the extra step? We can't apply eternal existence to the universe, because science has shown us the universe had a beginning, thus we need a cause for the universe coming into existence. We don't know if we need one for the cause itself ... in fact, we can't possibly have an answer for his existence.