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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (367)	9/1/2011 1:50:05 PM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

Unions just kill jobs, I've worked in many Union towns. And in all towns the Union guys say that just aren't building like they use to and guys with companies like yours all went out of business (they said because they didn't know how to run a business, when the real answer was they had to hire union guys) On that same job I saw 8 union guys take two days to do what one of my guys could do in an hour, that's 128 man hours vs one. yeah no wonder those businesses went out

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (367)	9/1/2011 2:43:45 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

"Possibly I would say, "this isn't worth it for the money, so i am going to either find another job or I am going to demand a raise"" Really? You're an unskilled worker on the factory line with unemployment at about 15% and people lined up looking for work and you're going to "demand" a raise? Or, line up with hundreds of thousands of applicants eager to take a paying job, any job, that likely offers no more than the one you just quit? That's the world view that made me suggest that you must live in a very different world than the world that many working American men and women have to survive in. "If I owned a business and was being forced to let a union in, I'd shut the business down>" Even if the business would remain profitable and the only extra burden would be to bargain in good faith on wages, benefits and working conditions along with basic worker protections like protection from arbitrary terminations? Charged rhetoric aside, I'd think that the majority of companies would not abandon a profitable business based on anti-union animus. Ed

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (367)	9/2/2011 10:54:11 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

Ed, has given the answer, more or less, I would have given except I would add: That those are the kind of views that have led to the rise of the "isms" in the past. I know you just want to do your thing and be creative and make the business "sing", but without something in between capital and labor it just leads to an unequal society that eventually leads to instability and social unrest. You only get to play on this nice capitalist playing field because it is held together by a balancing of social forces--so you've got to pay to play--the money goes to those who are creating the field and providing the refs--our legislative democracy--which says labor has a right to organize.