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To: koan who wrote (182416)	2/14/2012 12:59:11 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 544178

"if a Democrat had tried to go to China Nixon would have called them a commie" True, hence the Vulcan saying. Nixon didn't have to do this; nobody made him. He deserves credit. Quit making me defend him. Gives me finger cramps.

To: koan who wrote (182416)	2/14/2012 1:00:31 PM
From: Land Shark	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 544178

>In those days the right wing called liberals pinko's and commies. They still do. Minor difference today is I guess you can't get incarcerated for your political beliefs? There's other means of course.

To: koan who wrote (182416)	2/14/2012 2:52:29 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 544178

>>The reason is because I remember very clearly that at the time, if a Democrat had tried to go to China Nixon would have called them a commie. NIxon was rising to power during red baiting, the John birch society and Mccarthy's House of Unamerican Activities.<< I've heard it theorized that his history as a red-baiter was the very thing that made it possible for Nixon to open diplomatic relations with Communist China. The idea was that the Chinese were far more motivated to engage with Nixon because it was a greater victory for them than they would have been had the overtures come from a liberal President. The idea makes sense to me, though I wouldn't claim to have any insight into Mao's thinking at the time.

To: koan who wrote (182416)	2/14/2012 2:57:40 PM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 544178

It was not possible to "open up" China before it happened in 72 because of both ideological concerns and lingering animosity due to the Korean Conflict. Additionally, when China fell to (Communist) Mao in 1949 and we had supported Chiang Kai-Shek (the Nationalists) there was a lot finger pointing at the Democratic Truman Administration that they had, more or less, sand bagged the Nationalists by not giving them enough aid etc. So neither party could not have gone to China prior to it happening. It happened in 1972 because the global politics of it worked for both Nations. But everything I've read about it gives Nixon the credit on it for thinking strategically and not letting the past with China dictate the future. Here's a sample (of the credit): globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com Now you find me something that castigates Nixon for doing this.