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To: paul who wrote (302)	11/22/1997 5:30:00 PM
From: Columbo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1600

if your an investor and not simply a paid microsoft shill you should take notice of some of this stuff. Paul, Robert is not a paid shill. He is a dedicated worker for a company that makes a 3D product called AVS Express or something like that. They got suckered into this thing called "Software through Pictures", which was the hype back in the early 90's. It is basically a 4D tool for #3 and #0's who like to flowchart. Not for the programmer. We evaluated their product and it took me 30 minutes to reject it. Surprise, surprise they are "integrated" with MS. MH #0

To: paul who wrote (302)	11/24/1997 11:05:00 AM
From: Robert Winchell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1600

as far as shipping network computers - Sun has them, IBM has them - customers such as FTD, 1-800 Flowers, Boeing, SAABRE (american airlines) are using them now. Even microsoft has Network computers - 3 of them windows CE, NET PC's, and zero admin servers (actually 2 of them arent shipping - typical microsoft FUD when they know theyve been caught with their pants down). Maybe you should go read some of the "Success stories" on the Sun site (http://www.sun.com/javastation/customersuccesses/), especially the FTD one. FTD is "evaluating" Java Enterprise and haven't implemented anything! This is a success story? A friend of mine works for one of the "Big 6" in the bonds market. His company began rolling out a whole new system based on Java about 4 months ago, which would "revolutionize" data access for their department. The result: everyone hated it, because it was slow, worked differently on different machines and wasn't capable of interacting with all of their other software (Windows-based and others). what benchmarks show Windows NT is the fastest platform for running server side applications? I'll honestly look and find those. Actually, Sun's benchmarks came out faster lately. Then they came back and admitted they optimized their VM to take advantage of the CaffeineMark benchmark in order to get the highest scores. How do you like Sun now? your claims about incompatibility with jvm's are untrue. Its typical microsoft - there is one Java - poisoned Java from Microsoft is Windows NOT Java. And poisoned Java from Netscape is not Java. Netscape had to take the "Java Compatible" logo off their browser because it was even less Java-compliant than the MS one. So, seeing as these are the 2 most used Java VMs, do you still want to claim there aren't compatibility issues? I'm not an investor or a paid shill.

To: paul who wrote (302)	11/24/1997 11:15:00 AM
From: Robert Winchell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1600

what benchmarks show Windows NT is the fastest platform for running server side applications? pendragon-software.com If you have other benchmark results, I would be interested in seeing them. These benchmarks, I think, are for client-side apps. I have not seen server-side benchmarks.

To: paul who wrote (302)	11/30/1997 6:50:00 AM
From: Rich Goldsmith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1600

Paul, as far as shipping network computers - Sun has them, IBM has them - customers such as FTD, 1-800 Flowers from techweb.com Java NCs Delayed -- Problems with delivering viable products push back large-scale deployments "A spokesman for 1-800-Flowers says the company will install a 25-desktop pilot by December, and plans to roll out 2,000 systems next year." Regards, Rich