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To: koan who wrote (135604)	8/10/2013 2:03:19 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

U.S. soars in world popularity charts post Iraq — but will it last? usnews.nbcnews.com

To: koan who wrote (135604)	8/10/2013 2:07:39 PM
From: Bread Upon The Water	1 Recommendation Recommended By John Vosilla Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 149317

I don't how we can intelligently debate this any more without more data. You and Tejeck are convinced it is our failure to implement more free programs for the poor that traps them in welfare, and I am convinced that it is a welfare system itself that traps them. All I can say is that back in the days before welfare became wide spread there was a very strong work ethic in the culture connected with having a family. Now that ethic has been eroded because single parents can survive without working, and no work ethic gets passed on to the children of those parents.

To: koan who wrote (135604)	8/22/2013 12:26:19 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

There is well earned distrust on both sides, which eliminate the potential to have effective resolutions. Which liberals keep trying to improve and Republicans who live in fantasy land want to stop. What Republicans see when well developed and effective social programs are implemented is a demand to expand and develop more social programming, which they see as unsustainable fiscally. So they dig in their heals. If well developed and effective social programs led to productive jobs in a free enterprise market it, would eliminate the need or at least reduce the need for such social programs in the future. Republicans would be thrilled and Democrats would have proven their case. However this isn't what happens because of the desire of Democrats to socialize more and more programming. They cut their nose off to spite their face when they do stuff like developing unproductive jobs in the government services sector, or low payed service sector jobs in the private sector and claim the economy fixed. If more well paid jobs were created in the corporate sector, to put people back to work (Corps have piles of cash these days), Dems would be thrilled. However this isn't what happens because the Republicans want to keep corporate profits at all time highs. Republicans cut their nose of to spite their face when they do stuff that increases the unemployment figures because it gives Dems room to demand more welfare funding. And the beat goes on...