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To: koan who wrote (238283)	11/20/2013 8:29:34 PM
From: SiouxPal	Respond to of 542010

You are using the "Strawman" strategy of putting words into her mouth. This is an old trick that insults someone with words that they do not say. en.wikipedia.org When exposed it makes you look very bad.

To: koan who wrote (238283)	11/20/2013 8:31:11 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 542010

Look how wrong you can be Koan. I was tracked not to go to college- because I was a complete fuck up freshman and sophomore year (1.5 GPA). I found that out, got my ass in gear, and worked harder in high school (4.0 GPA next two years). But lots of students don't get their ass in gear. They don't want to go to college, and they don't give a shit about how they do in school. They don't LIKE it. They don't want to read- anything. That's on them. What I am saying is, those kids often have something else they are good at and want to do, and THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. You read what I say and hear that I don't think kids are good enough. I have never told any kid they aren't good enough- my own daughter doesn't know I think she's an idiot. I would never tell her that- I'm telling you, because I thought you were a big boy. You have a tin ear. What I am saying is I LISTEN to my students, and when they tell me they hate school, I get it- and I don't tell them they'll only be awesome if they go to college. I support whatever path they want to take- that's what responsible adults do for young people. My dreams don't have to be their dreams. My prejudices shouldn't limit them- and my love for education, doesn't mean everyone should love education. And if you think college is not one bit harder than high school you are way higher than I've always thought you were, or you have only been to really shitty colleges.

To: koan who wrote (238283)	11/20/2013 8:37:44 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542010

<<<< If a kid wants to go into the trades, fine, but don't tell them they are not smart enough to go to college. Good lord.>>>> Koan, I never thought I would say this - but I couldn't agree more with your thinking here. I had a post done this morning to Epicures use of the word "poor families" when she suggested not all kids should go on to college - but dumped it so I wouldn't get another tongue lashing. Shit! What does poor have to do with the decision to go to college? Anyone who wants to go to college today - can. AND they can do it with no or very little debt; GI bill or scholarships or grants. BUT - the child will need to be motivated. However, nothing will take the wind out of a kids belief in themselves faster than saying they are from a "poor family" and college might not be for them - or saying they are not smart enough to go to college.