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To: JohnM who wrote (239880)12/14/2013 12:40:50 PM
From: Sam  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 542139
 
Here we go again--

Senate GOP Opposition to Budget Deal Grows
By Meredith Shiner and Niels Lesniewski Posted at 7:21 p.m. on Dec. 12, 2013
blogs.rollcall.com

Many Senate Republicans began to announce opposition Thursday to a bipartisan budget agreement — even as their House counterparts passed it — actions unlikely to imperil the deal but that will make vote counters sweat in the closing days of 2013.

Most GOP senators facing primary challengers in 2014 have either declared their opposition to the framework or are expected to do so in the coming days, which perhaps creates for them the ideal political scenario: Congress puts itself on track to avoid a shutdown by setting appropriations levels for the next two years that have bipartisan support while these Republicans get to tout their conservative bona fides in breaking with the party.

“After careful review of the agreement, I believe it will do disproportionate harm to our military retirees,” said in-cycle Republican Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, in one of the first statements to buck the deal. “Our men and women in uniform have served admirably during some of our nation’s most troubling times. They deserve more from us in their retirement than this agreement provides.”

Graham’s been one of the most persistent GOP critics of the effect of automatic sequester cuts on the military.

The framework brokered by House Budget Chairman Paul D. Ryan, R-Wis., and Senate Budget Chairwoman Patty Murray, D-Wash., includes cuts in both military and civilian pensions to offset some of the across-the-board spending cuts approved in 2011. The House passed the legislation 332-94. To avoid another government shutdown, however, appropriators will still need to draft an omnibus spending bill by Jan. 15 that gets approved by both chambers.

Graham was not alone in his dissent Thursday. Sens. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., and Richard C. Shelby, R-Ala., told #WGDB they would not support the bill.

“I understand that [Ryan] was in because of what happened this fall, and also I know there were appropriators that … made it difficult,” Corker said. “I voted for the Budget Control Act back in 2011.”

“It’s the same old thing where …we’ll go ahead and spend the money now and in years nine and ten down the road we hope someone else will not,” Corker added.

Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., who is leaning against the agreement, echoed Corker’s concern, calling it “kind of the age old spend now, save later.”

Also against the plan are Roger Wicker of Mississippi and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. They released separate statements Thursday also decrying the military pension changes.

Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss., who just announced that he would seek another term in 2014, said that he had not decided how to vote on the agreement, but acknowledged the announced opposition of his home-state colleague.

“I do not support paying for increased federal spending on the backs of our retired and active duty troops,” Wicker said in a statement. “Congress should not change the rules in the middle of the game for those who have chosen to serve our nation in the military. We can and should do a deal without cutting the benefits of our men and women who have volunteered for a military career. The plan should be rejected.”

Ayotte, like Corker, expressed concern that Congress would be locked into a two-year agreement without setting a path for structural entitlement reform. She noted in a brief interview, however, that if negotiators had to change the pay-fors on the original Murray-Ryan deal, “I certainly would look at the agreement differently and I’d take a look at it.”

But Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who often agrees with Graham and Ayotte, was one of the rare GOP senators to tell reporters he was leaning toward supporting the measure, even though he would prefer that military pensions not be cut.

“It’s a very serious concern, but the fact is, if we shut down the government, we hurt the military very very badly… as well as fellow citizens,” McCain said, before adding that he is “leaning toward voting for it.”

It’s hard to see the deal achieving the 60 votes needed to invoke cloture without Republican appropriators Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska. Neither of the two moderates would commit when asked about the Ryan-Murray legislation as the House voted Thursday.

“Obviously, it’s the details that you’ve got to focus in on, and that’s what we’re doing now in the midst of all of this jack-in-the-box we’re doing,” Murkowski said, in reference to the week’s pop-up Senate floor votes on nominations.

“I’m in the process of reviewing it,” Collins said, then adding, “I think we need a budget I am concerned about the cuts in the military.”

Speaking with reporters earlier in the day, Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin, D-Ill., noted the importance of counting votes.

“We need Republican votes to pass the budget agreement, period. We need at least five, and I’m hoping that there’ll be more than that,” Durbin said. “There are not five who Republicans have announced they’re for it, I mean to my knowledge, and I hope there are many more than that and they’re just holding back for any number of reasons.”



To: JohnM who wrote (239880)12/14/2013 1:08:43 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542139
 
"I'm hard pressed to think of a single thing the first four years of Reagan's presidency brought that another four years of a Carter presidency would have been much better.

Perhaps a sunnier personality in the WH. "

yup; I'd rather have a sunnier WH instead.

undated

"On this very day, June 20th, 33 years ago, President Jimmy Carter installed solar panels on the White House roof. Seven years after that, Ronald Reagan took them down."



President Carter showing off the goods.

motherboard.vice.com



To: JohnM who wrote (239880)12/14/2013 4:43:10 PM
From: Steve Lokness  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 542139
 
E-gads!

Carter was a very nice man, a prince of a guy really and an awful President! What did he accomplish as President?

I'm not going to rehash your list John other than to say you couldn't be more wrong. It is emblematic of people so intent on their ideology that they refuse to admit when the other side has accomplished something worthy. Reagan left office after 8 years with an approval record of 64%!!!!!! And yet you can't think of a thing he accomplished or give him credit when it is obvious he did accomplish many worthwhile things! How about a world at peace, a Berlin Wall coming down an agreement with the Russians to reduce military weapons, inflation numbers restored to acceptable levels and a restored economy. 64% John. He didn't have that by accomplishing nothing. What did Bush leave with? 34% - but even that was way higher than it was previously. Talk about inventing your own history.



To: JohnM who wrote (239880)12/14/2013 4:47:47 PM
From: Steve Lokness  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542139
 
Here is the Presidents speech in forming the SS commission to fix the fund that was about to go broke because of roaring inflation. You guys are so off base here as to defy logic any more;


Appendix B of the 1983 Greenspan Commission on Social Security Reform Appendix B

National Commission on Social Security Reform

Remarks Announcing Establishment of the Commission. December 16, 1981



In recent years inflation has created great uncertainty about our social security system. Time and again we've been reassured the system would be financially sound for decades to come, only to find that recalculations of receipts and benefits forecast a new crisis. Current and future retirees now question the systems ability to provide them the benefits they ve been led to expect. Americans look to us for leadership and for answers.

As a candidate in 1980 I pledged that I would do my utmost to restore the integrity of social security and do so without penalty to those dependent on that program. I have honored that pledge and will continue to do so. We cannot and we will not betray people entitled to social security benefits.

In September I announced that I would appoint a bipartisan task force to work with the President and the Congress to reach two specific goals: propose realistic, long-term reforms to put social security back on a sound financial footing and forge a working bipartisan consensus so that the necessary reforms will be passed into law.

Senate Majority Leader Baker, Speaker O'Neill, and I agreed we would each select five members for a new national commission on social security. Today I am pleased and honored to announce the formation of the commission and that Alan Greenspan has agreed at my request to serve as Chairman of that commission.

I m asking the commission to present its report to the American people at the end of next year. I can think of no more important domestic problem requiring resolution than the future of our social security system.

Let me make one thing plain: With bipartisan cooperation and political courage, social security can and will be saved. For too long, too many people dependent on social security have been cruelly frightened by individuals seeking political gain through demagoguery and outright falsehood, and this must stop. The future of social security is much too important to be used as a political football.

Saving social security will require the best efforts of both parties and of both the executive and legislative branches of government. I'm confident this can be done and that in its deliberations this commission will put aside partisan considerations and seek a solution the American people will find fiscally sound and fully equitable.

That's the end of the statement.

Note: The President spoke at 12:03 p.m. to reporters assembled in the Briefing Room at the White House.