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Biotech / Medical : Ligand (LGND) Breakout! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Flagrante Delictu who wrote (12633)12/16/1997 2:47:00 PM
From: Flagrante Delictu  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 32384
 
strangle, on the other hand is a combination where you would buy a put at a strike price that was above the current market price of the intended stock, such as a purchase of the Dec. 15 put on LGND, whose last trade was at 1.82. This put would have the same expiration date as the call you would purchase, which call would have a strike price below the current price of LGND . So, in this case you would buy the Dec. 12.5 call whose last price as I write this is 1.06. You have now strangled the market in LGND. YOu have paid 2.88 for what can be worth no less than 2.50 at expiration. no matter what price LGND closes as on expiration, your strangle will be worth 2.50 or better. Where your opportunity lies in this strangling scenario is if LGND closes above 15 or below 12.5 on expiration. Since you have alredy strangled 2.50 out of the market by the very act of setting up this strangle at a cost of 2.88, any close above 15 or below 12.5 is additional money in your pocket. E.g. If Henry wins the wine from Andy by virtue of a close at 20, you make 5.00 above the 2.50 you have locked in. Namely, you get back 7.50 for the 2.88 you spent. on the other hand, if tonyt is correct & LGND closes at 10.00 on expiration, you have made an additional 2.50 to go with the 2.50 you have already locked in {strangled] out of the marketplace. Therefore, a close at 10.00 on LGND would return $5.00 to you for your expense of $2.88, resulting in a profit of $2.12 before commissions. When you buy this strangle you take a 38 cent risk for a chance {remote as it may seem} that either tontyt or Henry knows "something" about where LGND will close on expiration. Of course, you can close out your position before expiration, should you so choose. Lastly, instead of buying the strangle you could buy a box. I can hear the shreiks of the politically correct in the distance. If you bought a box, you could do so by first buying the strangle in LGND for !0.88 and then selling what are called the wings. Specifically, having bought the strangle in LGND that we discussed, you would then sell the Dec.15 call last trade at 18 cents and the Dec 12.5 put { last traded at twenty five cents} & you would receive forty three cents in total for having sold these 2 options. Your cost was !2.88 & at expiration you receive 12.50 plus forty three cents for a profit of a nickle before commissions.
I tell you these things so that you will know that there are option traders all over the world, who buy & sell boxes many times a day, who enter & exit straddles & srangles many times a day, without getting arrested or without a plethora of pious people marching on the world's option exchanges demanding they be closed lest girls in their twenties should accidentally be made aware of such vile practises. Bernie McDermott.



To: Flagrante Delictu who wrote (12633)12/17/1997 1:42:00 PM
From: HB  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 32384
 
Bernie, I would rather not spend much more time on this,
but since you ask, the words in your post
comprising the innuendo suggesting
sexual violence were:
"beginning to fantasize about a certain Courtney who has so far
eluded my offensive clutches by running like the wind into various
wooded areas."

Look, your clutches are offensive, she's trying to run from them,
she's only *so far* managed to elude them, suggesting that
despite her resistance you intend to impose them on her.
Sounds like assault to me.

As for not intending it for the person who posts as Courtney
Willfore, you have replied to her on this (LGND) thread before,

exchange2000.com

so it's not too unreasonable to suppose that the post referred
to her.

I have spent some time looking over your and Courtney's posts;

I can see how someone could get annoyed by her, and she certainly
came on rude in her first appearances in this thread, and also
claimed not to have made a personal attack on Henry after a post
about (I paraphrase here here)
the distinction between legitimate research scientists and
people like H.N. who abuse their professional position for
financial gain. I was unaware of this stuff before, since I
don't read everything on this thread for obvious reasons
(especially if it sounds like it's going to be personal attacks)
I guess that was a professional, not a personal
attack. I do appreciate her attempts to vigourously question those who claim to be experts, supposing them to be sincere. It also seems possible to me that she just likes to stir up trouble.
Nevertheless, that doesn't justify, in my view, posts like
yours. I appreciate the apology on the PCYC thread and the vow
to avoid such stuff in the future, and hope that's the end of it,
and that we can all keep ourselves to an ordinary level of civility
or incivility in dealing with people who we may consider to be
annoying or even jerks. I hope this will be my last post on the
subject.

HB