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To: epicure who wrote (265068)	11/25/2014 11:30:55 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 540653

"I have no idea why so many otherwise sensible liberals got suckered in on this case" Like Obama (well, he's an R) and Holder (who's doing 2 federal grand juries behind this) and a bunch of congresspeople and most of the local black politicians?

To: epicure who wrote (265068)	11/25/2014 12:43:12 PM
From: Metacomet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540653

It really is remarkable how you totally accept that this proceeding was not about the murder of Brown, but about his character, and why it was OK to kill him

To: epicure who wrote (265068)	11/25/2014 2:16:48 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 540653

Let's look at these assertions about this case that you have "no idea why so many otherwise sensible liberals got suckered in on this case". And point to better cases. You want cases in which: 1. a criminal was NOT involved. Your assertion here is that Brown was a criminal but there have been no proceedings, he has no criminal record, we have only a video tape that would be evidence in a trial. So not a criminal. So, as of his killing, he was not a criminal. Looks like your kind of case. 2. the dead person was not intimidating, and there was no question of reasonable fear on the part of the officer. We, actually, don't the level of these things because we have no counter testimony from Brown. Only the police officer, who may well have exploded in anger when he shot Brown and then made the struggle look more intimidating than it as. We simply don't know. The physical evidence does suggest some sort of struggle but not the level. We just don't know. 3. the violence perpetrated by the officer was clearly excessive. The implication here is that Wilson's use of force was not clearly excessive. So far, everything I've read and heard, there was no provocation, even from Wilson's testimony that has been aired, that justified killing Brown. I'm going to go back to my previous point. We disagree on this. But it's important to keep it as a policy disagreement; not go into some version of "people are just dumb for seeing this as calling for a trial."

To: epicure who wrote (265068)	11/25/2014 6:07:51 PM
From: Bearcatbob	1 Recommendation Recommended By bruwin Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540653

Geeze Epi, you have shown beyond belief sanity in this issue. You may lose your credentials within the loony lefty community you administer here. If there was ever an example of a situation where facts did not matter to the loony left this it. Oh - BTW - the loons in your community who so loudly "purport" to care should recognize who is damaged when the loony left burns Ferguson. Who will be unemployed tomorrow because their jobs were burned down by the loony left? You loons - ask yourselves who lost with the burning of businesses in Ferguson? Ready shoot aim. Congrats to the loons of the left. Who have you loons hurt? When I am banned - ask yourselves - when you loons burn down Ferguson - who tomorrow does not have a job? Who tomorrow - or even today - does not have a job because you loons crapped your own bed. But I know - no matter how destructive you loons are - you all "care" and will absolutely ignore the impacts of your idiocy on those you so loudly - so loudly - "purport" to care about. Bob PS: I know - this will be my last post here. When you lefties ran against Bush you screamed about facts being what should dominate. Ask yourselves how far you have gone from the principals you "purported" to adhere to. I laugh at you guys.