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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (10389)12/30/1997 2:47:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Bob, As long as there is anti-semetism we will be pro-semetism so maybe if you all drop your personal opinions of Israel then we will not share ours.Since you say your are grafted into being Jewish then welcome to the synagogue of satan or are you lying? As a disciple of Paul you should rejoice as he did in their conversion I don't recall him telling Timothy that it didn't matter that his mother and grandmother were Jewish in fact he makes the point and takes him to be circumcised. Why is that? I am not denying that your are grafted into Judaisms fullfilment but you are not a Jew inwardly if you deny His plan through them (that is the root). If you truly wanted this conversation to end you will discuss something else no you want to make your sarcastic remarks and act like we are continuing this when you are posting to us.Please just admit that you do not feel like God has a continued plan with the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob from whom came the 12 sons of Israel through whom came the lineage of Messiah not from satan.It is as though people are saying that Jesus is from Belzubub like the Jews said. You are not content to let this go or you would and we would.

Nancy



To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (10389)12/30/1997 4:36:00 PM
From: O'Hara  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 39621
 
><>...Bob this is one of those stumbling blocks that I was...><>
referring to in my previous post.

You stated:
"But as I posted to Jane today with scripture to prove the point, the blood of
Jesus and all the prophets will be charged to Israel. That is not a hate statement, just a
fact in the Word".

Bob, it is neither a hate statement nor a fact in the word.

Our Lord Jesus was not talking to Israel in those scriptures, as you have stated. Our Lord was condemning those who say they are Jews but are not.

Many of the Pharisees and Sadducees were not of the House of Israel no less the House of Judah.! They were certain men that crept in unaware to destroy all that is of God.

Remember the warnings of Jesus:
Matt 16:12
12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mark 7:1-6
1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Luke 18:9-14
9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Here again Jesus was speaking to the chief priests...Pharisees and Saducees...not descendants of our brother Judah, but those who said they were Jews.... have you ever done a complete word study on the term...Jews?...And Israel?....Jews(descendants of Judah) were only a part of the House of Israel. Consider Rev.

Rev 7:4-8
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel...(Including, but not limited to, the tribe of Judah)...
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Only the tribe of Judah = Jews....and they comprise but 1/12 of the House of Israel! All other descendants of the house of Israel were known by the head of the house from which they descended. Ex. Paul was a Benjamite of the tribe of Benjamin....Aaron the brother of Moses, was not a Jew either, but a Levite, of the tribe of Levi As was Moses. Our Savior and Lord Jesus was a Jew as He was a descendant of the tribe of Judah.

Many of the Prahisees and Sadducees were of none of the tribes of Israel but just said they were Jews/tribe of Judah...
Remember Bob all who came from the land of Judea called themselves Jews....But many were not...so who were they,and who are they today, and what difference does it make?....Why did Jesus teach on that subject as much as He did? Why such scathing condemnations of them, by our Lord.

Luke 12:1-3
1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
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Mark 9:40-42
40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Prov 25:2
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

And Bob this post is not to you alone I pray that all take heed.

Let there be peace and good will to all men.!
Shalom...><>



To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (10389)12/30/1997 7:53:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Bob;

Changing ones mind and spreading hate are two different things. Have you ever had a AK Semiautomatic pointed at you. Or better yet has your child pissed in his pant's for fear his mother or himself was on the verge of getting blown away. The bottom line Bob is that the teachings on this so called holy thread is feeding the very same people who tried to kill my Wife and two children. That's the Gospel that some are spreading here. There theology is the same as what is being said on this forum that Jews are (YOU KNOW THE REST). The only reason my wife and kids are still alive is because his weapon misfired three times (To me they were protected by God). YOU ARE FRUSTRATED how about looking in ones mailbox and sniffing it for a bomb, or wondering when you get out of your car that a bullet won't be sent your way, and whether you like it or not they feed off of things that are mentioned here so I am sorry you are frustrated. The very person who violated my family stated that the Jews worship Satan and he was making a stand. Does that sound familiar to you? He even stated he was a Christian does that also sound familiar to you?

Now you know why I don't go to worship on a weekly basis. I would rather be in the woods with Gods creation (Trees,birds,ect..) I feel more in tune with him on a simple things in life. We have Millions of so called teachers that claim they know Gods purpose and the way we should live our lives but for me I have only one teacher and that's the one who I have accepted in my heart with true conviction.

All I have ever gotten out of Church groups were tearing down of scripture and arguments over their meaning. Sometimes I think the unbelievers are more blessed than the self righteous ones who spout out verses in the Bible.

The whole purpose of Jesus death was for us to accept him and ask for forgiveness of sins, he will show us the truth if we posses a humble heart. When you accept him literally you know when you have done something wrong it's called a conscious. Why some religious fanatics make things so complicated is something I will never understand maybe it is because of their own insecurity or something.

Our purpose in this world is not to hang on all the negatives of this world it is to share THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS.

Anything more or less has no meaning we are all Gods children let's act like it.

Alan