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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Road Walker who wrote (3655)	12/27/2016 1:19:42 PM
From: Alex MG	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 356113

85% of white evangelical voters went for Trump simply because of the SCOTUS pick (think abortion) The republicans refused to even consider an Obama pick. Pretty much unprecedented or is it "unpresidented"? Who is the "We" that causes republicans to be such treasonous assholes, like the recent Coup in North Carolina?

To: Road Walker who wrote (3655)	12/27/2016 1:38:07 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 356113

How did we get here? We let sociopaths take over the country. Colluded with them, even. It was inevitable, I suppose. It takes a lot of work to make sure they don't and most people don't want to put in the work. Now, just imagine what happens when a few more state houses get taken over by Republicans. As we have seen, once they get control, they make sure they never lose it. With a few more state houses, they can amend the Constitution at will. Then things will get interesting.

To: Road Walker who wrote (3655)	12/27/2016 2:03:09 PM
From: bentway	1 Recommendation Recommended By Road Walker Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 356113

>>How did WE let that happen?<< WE were strategically stupid. THEY have enlisted right-wingnut billionaires they sell the country to to buy a lot of mostly rural states for them, right before the census and redistricting. WE weren't paying attention, and had no plan to counter their plan. WE still don't, and the same people run the (D) party that allowed this to happen. Our hope now rests in how badly THEY screw up, and if WE can prevent THEM from shifting the blame to US. In 2018, WE have many more congressional seats to defend than THEY do. THEY need to screw up before then.

To: Road Walker who wrote (3655)	12/27/2016 2:23:21 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 356113

<<<<<How did WE let that happen? It's on us, not them.>>>>> Not sure how you blame voters - we can only vote for those on the ballet. I blame the democrat elite. That has to change! The party is drunk driving us right off the road on old ideas by very old people who seem to only be confused as to why this is happening. ...........The democrat party HAS to get some new younger leaders or I think it will cease to exist.

To: Road Walker who wrote (3655)

12/27/2016 7:53:33 PM

From: koan

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I followed that story, but it is not a story liberals are comfortable talking about. When Obama won he had the best group of computer geeks ever, to run his ground game. But after his election when he went from an outside game to an inside game, he disbanded that group. I always felt it was because he didn't want them nipping at his heels when he made the right hand turn. They were mostly Bernie type liberals.

And then Obama himself had no interest in being head of the Democratic Party. That is according to Chuck Todd's book on Obama. The outside inside game is according to Richard Wolf's book on Obama. So when 2010 (the year for gerrymandering) came around, you had three negative things going on.

First you had the disillusionment that Obama was not going to give us change we could believe in. So the kids that were so brilliant at getting Obama elected, were depressed and did not get involved as much in the 2010 election when gerrymandering was such a big deal, plus he had disbanded them.

If Obama had held that group together and sent them forth to help the states in 2010, this would be a whole different ball game now.

And then for the next six years it was a situation of Obama just being a steward, more or less and everybody else just sort of sitting back puzzled by his behavior, but also not wanting to criticize the first African-American president.

We spent 8 years in stasis.

That is how we got here.

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And they control the presidency, both Houses and most of the state governments. And soon, the USSC and a large chunk of the judiciary...

How did we get here? Ok, I know, gerrymandering and other subversions of a democratic republic. I guess the better question is how did we let them get here? Hillary, despite her weaknesses, won the popular vote. Yet, they'll own all branches of government.

How did WE let that happen? It's on us, not them.