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To: TobagoJack who wrote (134047)6/3/2017 8:17:51 PM
From: ggersh  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218608
 
they've used the old economic trick, loan them money
they know will never be paid back, just like the bankers

they just haven't yet perfected the troop bit, maybe Tibet
Mongolia.

maybe Viet Nam taught them what amerika never learns.



To: TobagoJack who wrote (134047)6/5/2017 11:45:54 AM
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After months of "smoking guns" and conspiracy theory dismissals, a Singapore-based Deutsche Bank trader (at the center of fraud allegations) finally confirmed (by admitting guilt) what many have suspected - the biggest banks in the world have conspired to rig precious metals markets.

The Deutsche Bank trader, David Liew, pleaded guilty in federal court in Chicago to conspiring to spoof gold, silver, platinum and palladium futures, according to court papers. Bloomberg notes that spoofing involves traders placing orders that they never intend to fill, in an attempt to manipulate the price.

Following an introductory period that included orientation and training, LIEW was eventually assigned to the metals trading desk (which included base metals and precious metals trading) in approximately December 2009. During the Relevant Period, LIEW was employed by Bank A as a metals trader in the Asia-Pacific region, and his primary duties included precious metals market making and futures trading.



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Between in or around December 2009 and in or around February 2012 (the "Relevant Period"), in the Northern District of Illinois, Eastem Division, and elsewhere, defendant DAVID LIEW did knowingly and intentionally conspire and agree with other precious metals (gold, silver, platinum, and palladium) traders to: (a) knowingly execute, and attempt to execute, a scheme and artifice to defraud, and for obtaining money and property by means of materially false and fraudulent pretenses, representations, and promises, and in furtherance of the scheme and artifice to defraud, knowingly transmit, and cause to be transmitted, in interstate and foreign commerce, by means of wire communications, certain signs, signals and sounds, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1343,which scheme affected a financial institution; and (b) knowingly engage in trading, practice, and conduct, on and subject to the rules of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange ("CME"), that was, was of the character of, and was commonly known to the trade as, spoofing, that is, bidding or offering with the intent to cancel the bid or offer before execution, by causing to be transmitted to the CME precious metals futures contract orders that LIEW and his coconspirators intended to cancel before execution and not as part of any legitimate, good-faith attempt to execute any part of the orders, in violation of Title 7, United States Code, Sections 6c(a)(5)(C) and 13(a)(2); all in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371.



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Defendant LIEW's employer, Bank A, was one of the largest global banking and financial services companies in the world. Bank A's primary precious metals trading desks were located in the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Asia-Pacific region.



Defendant LIEW and other precious metals traders, including traders at Bank A, engaged in a conspiracy to commit wire fraud affecting a financial institution and spoofing, in the trading of precious metals futures contracts traded on the CME.



Defendant LIEW placed, and conspired to place, hundreds of orders to buy or to sell precious metals futures contracts that he intended to cancel and not to execute at the time he placed the orders (the "Spoof Orders").



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Bank A operated a global metals trading team with traders in the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Asia-Pacific region. Throughout his tenure on the metals trading desk at Bank A, defendant LIEW was supervised by and interacted with more experienced traders on the team. LIEW was supervised by other metals traders in the Asia-Pacific region, and, due to the nature of the nearly 24-hour trading cycle, LIEW interacted with members of the trading team in the United States and the United Kingdom. It was after joining the metals trading desk that LIEW was taught to spoof by other metals traders, including other metals traders at Bank A.



Defendant LIEW generated Spoof Orders manually. That is, LIEW physically clicked his computer mouse or keyboard keys to enter each Spoof Order, and physically clicked his mouse or keyboard keys to cancel that order.



A common technique employed by defendant LIEW was to place and cancel one or more Spoof Orders on one side of the prevailing market price. The intent of these Spoof Orders was to facilitate the execution of an existing Primary Order on the opposite side of the market. By placing Spoof Orders opposite the Primary Order, LIEW intended to create a false appearance of supply or demand and induce other market participants to react to this false information in order to move the market price and/or increase the available quantity at the desired price of the relevant futures contract. During the time the Spoof Order was live in the market, or shortly after it was cancelled, LIEW's Primary Order on the other side of the market would often execute at a more favorable price than was otherwise available before the Spoof Order had been placed.



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Coordinated spoofing involved one or more additional participants. When engaging in coordinated spoofing, defendant LIEW and/or one or more co-conspirators would place one or more Spoof Orders on one side of the market in order to facilitate the execution of Primary Orders placed on the opposite side of the market by either LIEW or a coconspirator. For example, LIEW would place a Spoof Order in order to facilitate the execution of a Primary Order placed by a co-conspirator, or a co-conspirator would place a Spoof Order in order to facilitate the execution of a Primary Order placed by LIEW. At other times, LIEW and one or more co-conspirators would each place one or more Spoof Orders in order to facilitate the execution of a Primary Order placed by LIEW or a co-conspirator.



During and in furtherance of the conspiracy, defendant LIEW engaged in solo spoofing or coordinated spoofing with traders at Bank A hundreds of times.

Prosecutors have brought very few cases against alleged spoofers but have stepped up their enforcement since the adoption of the Dodd-Frank financial law.

Deutsche Bank declined to comment.

From a July 2012 blog post, we discover that Liew quit banking then to start a tech company...

A bit like Vinicius, I was (and still am) in my third year out of University and making a very comfortable living as a trader at Deutsche Bank. Here in Singapore (sadly), a sort of toxic culture has been brewing that your “success” is deemed by your salary. Yes, I was getting a 6 digit annual salary, yes I was in the top % of wage earners of my age group (I’m turning 27 this year). A lot of people have labelled me “crazy” to “throw all I had away”, to which I would reply “This is my life, not yours. But thanks and good luck to you too”

As we noted in December, when we first reported that Deutsche Bank had agreed to settle allegations it had rigged the silver market in exchange for $38 million, we revealed something stunning: "in a curious twist, the settlement letter revealed that the former members of the manipulation cartel have turned on each other", and that Deutsche Bank would provide docments implicating other precious metals riggers. To wit: "In addition to valuable monetary consideration, Deutsche Bank has also agreed to provide cooperation to plaintiffs, including the production of instant messages, and other electronic communications, as part of the settlement. In Plaintiff’s estimation, the cooperation to be provided by Deutsche Bank will substantially assist Plaintiffs in the prosecution of their claims against the non-settling defendants."

Overnight we finally got a glimpse into what this "production" contained, and according to documents filed by the plaintiffs in the class action lawsuit, what Deutsche Bank provided as part of its settlement was nothing short of "smoking gun" proof that UBS Group AG, HSBC Holdings Plc, Bank of Nova Scotia and other firms rigged the silver market. The allegation, as Bloomberg first noted, came in a filing Wednesday in a Manhattan federal court lawsuit filed in 2014 by individuals and entities that bought or sold futures contracts.

In the document records surrendered by Deutsche Bank and presented below, traders and submitters were captured coordinating trades in advance of a daily phone call, manipulating the spot market for silver, conspiring to fix the spread on silver offered to customers and using illegal strategies to rig prices.

“Plaintiffs are now able to plead with direct, ‘smoking gun’ evidence,’ including secret electronic chats involving silver traders and submitters across a number of financial institutions, a multi-year, well-coordinated and wide-ranging conspiracy to rig the prices,” the plaintiffs said in their filing.

The latest evidence is critical because as the plaintiffs add, the new scheme “far surpasses the conspiracy alleged earlier.” As a result, the litigants are seeking permission to file a new complaint with the additional allegations, i.e., demand even more reparations from the defendants who have not yet settled, and perhaps even more evidence of ongoing market rigging. Their proposed complaint broadens the case beyond the four banks initially sued to include claims against units of Barclays Plc, BNP Paribas Fortis SA, Standard Chartered Plc and Bank of America Corp.

Representatives of UBS, BNP Paribas Fortis, HSBC, Standard Chartered and Scotiabank didn’t immediately respond to e-mails outside regular business hours seeking comment on the allegations. Barclays and Bank of America declined to immediately comment.

The Deutsche Bank documents show, among other things, how two UBS traders communicated directly with two Deutsche Bank traders and discussed ways to rig the market. The traders shared customer order-flow information, improperly triggered customer stop-loss orders, and engaged in practices such as spoofing, all meant to destabilize the price of silver ahead of the fix and result in forced selling or buying. It is also what has led on so many occasions to the infamous previous metals "slam", when out of nowhere billions in notional contracts emerge, usually with the intent to sell, to halt any upside moment in the precious metals/

"UBS was the third-largest market maker in the silver spot market and could directly influence the prices of silver financial instruments based on the sheer volume of silver it traded," the plaintiffs allege. "Conspiring with other large market makers, like Deutsche Bank and HSBC, only increased UBS’s ability to influence the market."

Some examples of the chats quoted are shown below. In the first example a chart between DB and HSBC traders in which one HSBC trader says "really wanna sel sil[ver" to which the other trader says "Let's go and smash it together."



Another chat transcript from May 11, 2011 reveals a Deutsche Bank trader telling a UBS trader that the cartel "WERE THE SILVER MARKET"(sic) based on feedback from outside traders to which UBS replies, referring to the silver market "we smashed it good", leading to the following lament "fking hell UBS now u make me regret not joining."



Finally, for all those traders who wonder what happened to their stops as a result of dramatic moves in the price, here is the answer: a June 2011 chat between a UBS and a DB trader comes down to the following: "if you have stops... who ya gonna call... STOP BUSTERS"





Liew's admission of guilt to a conspiracy to spoof precious metals markets seems like the final nail in the coffin of any conspiracy theory deniers - theory is now fact once again. The question is - will the regulatory crackdown on these manipulations actually reduce rigging in the markets?

zerohedge.com



To: TobagoJack who wrote (134047)6/6/2017 1:36:56 AM
From: John Pitera1 Recommendation

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Hi TJ, Don Green post an article to me on the collapse of John Paulson's investment performance......

I can believe that ..... the kind of a one trick pony story...... and I contrast that with Bruce Kovner's superior 3 dimension chess understanding of the global flow of funds in the global capital markets.....

I included quite a bit of info on Kovner in my response, including a number of posts over several years where his name has come up and as a cherry on top... I have provided the url for a very well done
22 page synopsis of the interview and content of Jack Scwager's 1st Market Wizards book..

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Hi Don,

John Paulson, had a a big global macro trade that he saw and was also was assisted by his excellent repoire with his GS bankers, who enabled him to cherry pick a portfolio a tranches of CDS instruments as well as to create custom pools of combination of Mortgage backed securities that really gave him an inside advantage
to creating complex derivatives that he and his relationship bankers at Goldman Sachs knew would blow up.

Obviously without the insider advantage of that unique situation JP..... John Paulson has proved to be a vulnerable as you or I or a sea of other... pretty smart market operators who learn that they are global macro investing and trading is done best by a select few such as Bruce Kovner.....

read the second interview in the first market wizards book.... Kovner, really understand global macro economic trends...... he was able to buy a massive multistory mansion on the 92nd or a few blocks north five years ago that was so large it was an embassy for a foreign government.

many thanks for posting on Paulson as he has been of interest to us since he turned 1 billion into 14 billion based on that insider arranged positioning easter egg that Goldman served him up like the proverbial fatten calf.

John

more on Kovner: and as a preamble to a discussion of Kovner i highly encourage those interested in
downloading this excellent 22 Page PDF synopsis of the 1st and possibly still the best of the Market Wizards books:

That was Larry Hite's magic stop loss level for any position, as a % of account equity as profiled in Hite's interview in the very first Market Wizard's book by Jack Schwager.

here is a great 22 page PDF of the study notes put together by a Zhipeng Yang

people.brandeis.edu


here is a post from july 1 2013 where I profile Bruce Kovner and his Caxton capital
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To: John P who wrote (14257)7/1/2013 6:07:18 PM
From: John PRead Replies (1) of 19346
I left out the ten year note yield :



And Most critically the 10 year note yield hovering right at the key 2.50% level.... so far the increase in yield has looked very Elliott wave impulse type..... The market is caught on the wrong side..... we do have a gap to fill on the daily chart and you will notice that is right where it would bonds would be sold by technical sellers as it's the 21 Day Simple Moving Average and the 26 day Exponential MA... which is used in other trading systems those to converge right where the gap would be filled .... what wil really freak out the markets is if the TNX makes a new high in Yield above 2.61% prior to filling that GAP. since this is a Holliday week... we may not see much happen.... but Japan and China interest rate and currency developments as well as the weakness in the Indian currency, the Brazilian Real.. and emerging market currencies...and in Egypt we have major geopolitical uncertainty..... China, Russia and the US are in a turf war on multiple fronts and obviously the National Security Agency's Snowdon is providing friction...... Lots of developments occuring all over the globe.

The Chinese Equity market has rallied but China has broken down from a major multi year triangle and the economy is imploding



The Carnage continues here as the SPX opened on it's high and then the professional money managers came in and sold at the 50 Day Simple Moving Average..... The SPX actually closed 4 points below it's 21 simple DMA..... which shows that the Systems traders are running these markets....

Look at this SPX Fibonacci Chart and the moving averages:



These are the kind of very Fast Global Markets where the real big time Global Asset Managers excel and clean up... making excellent returns...... I know several shops that have had some profit centers making out sized returns over the past 2 months..... Big Global Asset Managers like Goldman, Barclays, Deutsche Bank, Blackrock..... and premier global Macro Hedge funds like Bruce Kovner's fund. Kovner was the second interview in the first market wizards book by Jack Schwager.

1) Bruce Stanley Kovner (born 1945 in Bronx, New York) is an American businessman. He is the founder and Chairman of Caxton Associates, a hedge fund that trades a global macro strategy and is considered amongst the worlds top and largest 10 hedge funds with an estimated $14 billion under management . [4] In March 2011, Kovner had an estimated net worth of around $4.5 billion. [5]
Described as secretive even by family and friends, the divorcee is perhaps one of the least known New York City billionaires outside of professional circles. His Caxton Associates, despite the large amount of assets under management, is known to be amongst the top 25 most enigmatic and secretive hedge funds globally. [6] He is a leading philanthropist and former chairman of American Enterprise Institute.

there are shops that are knocking the cover off the ball..much as John Paulson did in 2008 when he took his fund from a Billion and change up to 14 Billion by working with Goldman Sachs who let him personally handpick the most vulnerable tranches of Debt and bundle them into customized Credit Default Swaps and CDO's.....

His funds hit their high water mark 6 or 9 months ago when they got up to $34 Billion and were still accepting new assets...... that seems to be a high water mark when you run money so publicly.... The "Old Money" is very discrete and they have a very long time horizon... they make the future ... they do not react to it.

I promise you life is not bad at the Rockerfeller Rothschild Family office..... but they are best of breed...

Lets just toss in one more vantage point...



Now the looking at an 10 Year Time Horizon... on the Weekly Ten Year Treasury Note Yield shows how we will hit the Blue downtrend line at 2.75%.... if we do manage to move up towards the 2.75-2.81 % level over the next several weeks..we should expect that to stem the rise in the 10 year note yield .... because at that point we will be seeing weaker equity prices globally and a recession occurring and so inflationary expectations will cool off and the It would be an exceptional place for big Bond Players like PIMCO to look to go Long bonds on a Quarterly to 6 month positioning basis.

John Jacob Pitera


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Kovner mention in the end of the post ... kovner commented that markets that are less watched can be easier to trade and can yield bigger profit opportunities.

Kovner mentioned in 2013 as one of a group of savvy long term market operators along with Jefferson Kirby

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Lets do that will 100 Billion dollars. so over the coming 12 months we (we meaning ) UBS or Citi or JPM or NY Life , ACE LTD or AON...of Wells Fargo... W FC, PNC (WFC and PNC are both at new all time highs as is ACE)... or BAC Bank of America.....Goldman, John Paulson, Bruce Kovner, John Taylor over at FX Concepts.....George Soros, Warren Buffet and Charles Munger.... Jeff Kirby over at Alleghany (Y) oh and Deutsche bank, Barclays, soc gen Allianz of Germany...they own PIMCO..

will make 3.42 billion dollars...... that sounds pretty good...... bank earnings should be great ....yippeee financials are going to clean up...


JJP