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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Katelew who wrote (77052)	6/12/2018 4:24:39 PM
From: zzpat	Respond to of 358922

I have a far different view. When Trump left the G7 we learned the truth about Trump. According to world leaders Trump was incoherent and uninformed. IMO, the Olympics made most of this happen. Kim sent his daughter and advisors to SK during the Olympics which is where and when the deals were made. The deals between north and south began around the time of the closing ceremonies. Kim even sent his hard-line general to the games, Kim Yong Chol. Kim also sent Kim Yong Chol to Washington. Kim is far ahead of Trump and SK. He's the one who's making everything happen. It's like Gorbachev giving his people the right to vote and ending the USSR -though unintentional. Shortly after the games ended N and S Korea leaders met to talk about peace. At that time Trump was still whining about NK etc. He didn't have a clue what was going on. He even pulled out of the summit because he's a coward at heart. But needing headlines and seeing everyone in Congress was glad he pulled out of summit he decided he needed more headlines so he went. What we see now is more headlines with little or nothing more coming from Trump since he has no interest in anything other than headlines. Everything you wrote about Trump is based on one thing - generating headlines. Nothing more, nothing less. What does Trump know about NK or anything else? He's incapable of learning. He's "incoherent" and he creates "chaos" wherever he goes. He's a horrible person and horrible people can't do the right thing.

To: Katelew who wrote (77052)	6/12/2018 4:27:26 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 358922

Kate, below are some good discussions on Morning Joe this morning of the summit that also give some history. And here is a link to the text of their agreement. It will take about 1 minute to read the entire thing. usatoday.com Morning Joe 6/12/18 Summit a dream outcome for North Korea: Sen. Coons Correspondent Hans Nichols discusses how the Pentagon is reacting to the Trump-Kim summit, and Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., also discusses the summit and the takeaways. Duration: 8:38 msnbc.com Morning Joe 6/12/18 Engel: South Korea blindsided by 'war games' announcement One of China's top officials on Tuesday weighed in on the Trump-Kim summit, saying the U.N. should consider suspending sanctions against North Korea. Richard Engel joins the conversation. Duration: 6:02 msnbc.com "We had more than this in the six party talks and we had more than this in 1994." --Rick Stengel "On the troops: many people don't know this, but its actually cheaper to keep troops in S. Korea than in the US. Why? Because S.K. picks up half of the cost. So contrary to what Trump said, there won't be any cost savings. Plus of course there is the deterrent factor of having the troops there." --Evelyn Farcas Morning Joe 6/12/18 How North Korea agreement compares to Iran deal Dr. Evelyn Farkas and Richard Stengel join Morning Joe to discuss the key takeaways from the president's summit with Kim Jong Un and the president's Tuesday press conference in Singapore. Duration: 6:04 msnbc.com Morning Joe 6/12/18 'Another blow to allies': Trump to stop 'war games' During his news conference in Singapore, President Trump said he will stop conducting U.S. 'war games' with South Korea. The panel reacts. Duration: 8:41 msnbc.com

To: Katelew who wrote (77052)	6/12/2018 4:37:04 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 358922

but Kim has everything to lose Howzat? Lost opportunity for sure, but is the fallback worse than status quo ante?

To: Katelew who wrote (77052)	6/12/2018 4:43:17 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 358922

Korea has promised to 'de-nuclearize' several times in the past, only to break that pledge. Why is THIS time different? I see it as Kim 1, Trump 0, so far. Message 31654103 Kim got a long sought sit-down as an equal with a POTUS, Trump got a vague promise. China is already easing sanctions.

To: Katelew who wrote (77052)	6/12/2018 5:52:57 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Respond to of 358922

Trump can't negotiate a milk deal with Canada - and you believe he accomplished a denuclearization deal with Kim in a few minutes? I hope you are correct - but believe you are naive. why in the world would Kim give up what they had worked towards for fifty years? It was those bombs that got him a seat with Trump. Talking is good though. .......

To: Katelew who wrote (77052)	6/12/2018 6:01:20 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 358922

but typically the first thing signed in a situation like this is a 'statement of agreement'. And that is done by lower level people. Usually the Secretary of State isn't involved at that point. If the leaders of the country get involved at all, it is at the final stage. All of the details have been worked out by that point. As to denuclearization, whose definition do we use? The two leaders have articulated very different definitions. Yeah, I know. That is part of the negotiations. But it is something that should have been hammered out before this meeting. There are lots of details that should have been already settled. And the Trump announced that we would end the joint exercises with South Korea and Japan. That is a difficult task since the next ones are planned for August. And I military was not notified before, so I suspect neither were the others, and that puts a lot of strain on the system. Not to mention a significant concession to NK with nothing in return. If Kim wants the sanctions ended You are making a lot of assumptions here. The biggest is that ending the sanctions are important enough to KIm to give up his nukes and ICBMs and accept verification. Given that they have worked decades to get them, in the face of sanctions, that isn't a given. Now promises to do so, only to renege later, has been their modus operandi so far. The closest we came to that was the framework put in place by Clinton. Which Dubya then reneged on when he came in office. Thus giving NK an excuse to restart their nuclear program. Now it is true that NK had stopped working on plutonium bombs, but started working on uranium ones because that wasn't covered in the framework. But that should have been reason to close that loophole instead of reneging on the deal. I guess Bush the Lesser and his advisors, cough Bolton cough, figured the sanctions would force NK back to the table, but all they did was encourage them to finish development. Which they did. Now maybe it is different this time. Maybe not. But it is foolish the expect that suddenly Kim will fold.