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To: Chris land who wrote (10808)	1/17/1998 9:57:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

You find it so important to have something explained to Jane, but you have failed to explain yourself to me, do I see a double standard here Chris, or do you wish to continue to avoid me. Alan

To: Chris land who wrote (10808)	1/17/1998 10:07:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

I beg to assure you Chris that no one needs to tell me that Paul writes under the direction of the Holy Spirit. I didn't need explanation. I said that you, like Peter warned, seemed to condemn Alan from Paul. I asked and will ask again that you show me where Jesus instructs you to condemn Alan based on what Jesus Himself said. Read my words and you will see there is always a definite point. I don't do this out of boredom. I know that you think I am a pain in the neck. That is your right to think what you want. I also encourage you to look up the exact meaning of all of verse 16 in the Strongs. I did, and it took a lot of time, and it was buried here and I have no more time to do it again or repost. The words are not directed to the dimwitted or those who couldn't read, as it implies. It is purely a spiritual warning, and is much deeper than the English surface meaning. I have seen it in action here for a month. But those who do, the words are wrest, as they do with other scripture (how interesting in light of this last month), well Peter saw them wrestling unto their own destruction. That's all I know. Then Peter says don't do the same thing and be led away with their error. And the word wicked didn't mean devil worshipper. He was talking about believers taking scripture and giving it meaning never intended. It's in the Bible. Don't blame me for it. Or else blame me for it and completely give it another meaning and say Peter didn't mean it like the Greek words are translated.. I have seen true Christians be kinder and much more gentle and loving toward heroin addicts, black pimps, as one who attended our church for weeks and never even got saved, I think he was just hanging around some beautiful girls that went there at the time, and hookers, and all sorts of deviates like Jimmy Swaggart, whose eyes are so dark now they are totally without light and I am not personally convinced he has changed. But Alan. Oh, that horrible Alan. That's another story! Well, Chris, please judge anything horrible Alan has said against Jesus' instruction for those that would inherit eternal life, or against the finest measuring rod, John Chapter 10 or 14 through 17. Show me where Jesus has judged Alan unfit to live with Him, and has instructed you all to banish him out of Christianity, and I guess back into devil worship to read your congratulations to each other.

To: Chris land who wrote (10808)	1/18/1998 1:52:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

An example of Alan Markoff's false doctrines. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Robert E. Hall (9714 ) From: Alan Markoff Saturday, Dec 6 1997 3:05AM EST Reply #9716 of 10820 "Jews were converted to Christianity," I think not Christianity was created by man Jews were created by God. A Jew can chose to accept Yeshua as there messiah. But don't put this Christianity label on a Jew. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Christianity, the Church, is in fact the Holy Body of Christ and was created by God. The bible of the modern Jews, the Babylonian Talmud, teaches that Chritianity is evil and was created by man. I wonder where Alan got his ideas about Christianity.

To: Chris land who wrote (10808)	1/18/1998 2:12:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Another example of Alan's false teachings. ----------------------------------------------- To: Robert E. Hall (9714 ) From: Alan Markoff Saturday, Dec 6 1997 3:38AM EST Reply # of 10823 Robert; I read your post I find it hard to agree with anything that you stated allot of fancy words that seem dangerous to me being Jewish. Open your heart and forget about your interpretation of the bible it seems like you have some wires crossed. The only reason Israel became a nation again was for the mere fact of a miracle in our midst. Let me remind you that Israel is a JEWISH nation and I feel strongly that God has his hand on it. You (Christians-the Church) are the ones that took there Messiah (Yeshua) and turn him into some freak. No wonder the Jews have rejected him it's this kind of crap that you put out that has fueled the fire. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the response to Robert Hall's scripturally based comments on the Christian people being the true Israel of God. This was one of Alan's first posts on this thread and he was openly opposed to the Christian Church. Do you agree that the Christian Church turned Jesus into some kind of freak"