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To: Dr. Voodoo who wrote (156501)4/14/2020 10:22:04 AM
From: carranza22 Recommendations

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Joseph Silent
voop

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Nice.

In order to attack T cells, the virus must first replicate. In order to replicate it must enter other cells. In order to enter other cells, it must attach itself.

Change the pH of the cells the virus is trying to enter, and entry won’t happen. The virus dies. T cells survive to fight another day.

There are several ways to change the pH of target cells: quinine (natural and artificial); ammonium chloride; camostat metylase; and a dangerous anti-anxiety drug whose name I don’t recall. There may be more.

The 2005 paper that got me interested in chloroquine discussed the pH issue. It was authored by a Canadian and USA team. The USA team was employed by the CDC.

I now see that the pH issue as a means of fighting virus attachment has been discussed in the scientific literature since at least 1967. That’s not a typo.

Anti-virals are hard, take much research, and produce expensive (and profitable) drugs. On the other hand, pH changing drugs are cheap, off-patent, well-known and, while not perfect, they will do in the face of a dangerous pandemic while a vaccine is being developed. Thus, that would be my strategy: go in feet first on the pH changers while development of anti-virals and a vaccine takes place.



To: Dr. Voodoo who wrote (156501)4/14/2020 10:59:29 AM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu1 Recommendation

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Joseph Silent

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The content of the articles you mentioned - they are very bad news indeed

1. "Researchers in China and the US find that the virus that causes Covid-19 can destroy the T cells that are supposed to protect the body from harmful invaders" and “SARS-CoV-2 infects T lymphocytes through its spike protein-mediated membrane fusion”

2. Regarding the immune system you mention, I did not intended to say it happen instantly but trough evolution over the generations, and genetic structure of the various cells in the human body based on the diet of a certain groups of people. The Asian and S.E. Asia diet is very different from the N.America and European diet with their own subsets in each nation. You are what you eat - and therefore I do think affects the ability to fight this virus by certain groups of people.

3. On my FB page I posted the opinion of a German MD who claimed the same “The virus was in EU at the time of first bans from China.” and even before that.

4. The issue of NYC or other big US cities or Italy or Spain or France, each of the cases has its own form of lack of discipline and disregard of danger and their specific nutritional diet and frequency of smoking.

5. I spoke to nurses within medical staff in Italy, there the families were revolting not having access to their love ones who were infected – and of course they got infected by themselves - It’s a cultural thing.

6. Each outburst has its own social ethnic reason of ignorance and heritage and emotional tradition, including the Orthodox Jews in Israel that are at the center of the Israeli epidemic viewing the virulent disease as punishment of the non-believers and hoping for the coming of the Messiah – no joke!!

.... and the Israeli Health Minister is an Orthodox Jew who expressed himself this way only to be infected by himself with the virus for lack of discipline.



To: Dr. Voodoo who wrote (156501)4/14/2020 4:59:45 PM
From: TobagoJack2 Recommendations

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ggersh
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Just saw in in-tray

On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:32 PM, __________ wrote:

FYI—see the video and then check out R’s responses below
Still may need a ventilator but definitely used a different way than they have been using it

From: R
Subject: Re: (7) FROM NYC ICU: DOES COVID-19 REALLY CAUSE ARDS??!! - YouTube
Date: April 14, 2020 at 8:19:51 AM PDT

One possible treatment here would be to try the drugs that one uses to acclimate prior to moving to high altitudes.

I believe these are carbonic anhydrase inhibitors. They are all generic. This could be given to patients at earlier stages of disease.

Have you heard any market buzz about this?

R

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 22:46 R wrote:
Thanks...I have been aware of this finding for about 10 days based on findings of Chinese and American docs.

The disease radiologically looks like HAPE (high altitude pulmonary edema). This is not my area of expertise, but it seems to be more a pathophysiological problem with vasocobstriction of the blood vessels in the lungs that exchange oxygen rather than primary inflammation and thickening of the wall of the air sacs as seen with ARDS.

High pressure ventilation probably serves to further exacerbate the problem by damaging the air sacs and actually causing ARDS.

One solution suggested is to ventilate at lower pressure possible with higher oxygen concentrations. I thought that this was more widely understood by now. Since this video was recorded a week ago, I hope that this new theory has begun to change the treatment regimens.

Since this is primarily a disease of the lung vasculature, it is not surprising that both smokers and people with hypertension are at higher risk of death.

I wasn't sure if what I had read was true in most patients, but this doctor seems to validate that this happens more often than not in very sick patients.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 21:33 ______ wrote:

Interesting take from a guy on the front line

youtube.com



To: Dr. Voodoo who wrote (156501)4/15/2020 3:42:15 PM
From: Pogeu Mahone1 Recommendation

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Joseph Silent

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D3 was here at the start of eons.

What did the first living organism eat?

Actually it is very easy to stimulate your immune system

A diagram of your immune system on right.

It is covered in D3 receptors.
...................old lymphatic chart.....................................................new lymphatic chart....................



"Researchers Find Missing Link Between the Brain and Immune System


June 1, 2015

Implications profound for neurological diseases from autism to Alzheimer’s to multiple sclerosis.


In a stunning discovery that overturns decades of textbook teaching, researchers at the University of Virginia School of Medicine have determined that the brain is directly connected to the immune system by vessels previously thought not to exist. That such vessels could have escaped detection when the lymphatic system has been so thoroughly mapped throughout the body is surprising on its own, but the true significance of the discovery lies in the effects it could have on the study and treatment of neurological diseases ranging from autism to Alzheimer’s disease to multiple sclerosis.
“Instead of asking, ‘How do we study the immune response of the brain?’ ‘Why do multiple sclerosis patients have the immune attacks?’ now we can approach this mechanistically. Because the brain is like every other tissue connected to the peripheral immune system through meningeal lymphatic vessels,” said Jonathan Kipnis, PhD, professor in the UVA Department of Neuroscience and director of UVA’s Center for Brain Immunology and Glia (BIG). “It changes entirely the way we perceive the neuro-immune interaction. We always perceived it before as something esoteric that can’t be studied. But now we can ask mechanistic questions.”
“We believe that for every neurological disease that has an immune component to it, these vessels may play a major role,” Kipnis said. “Hard to imagine that these vessels would not be involved in a [neurological] disease with an immune component.”
New Discovery in Human Body
Kevin Lee, PhD, chairman of the UVA Department of Neuroscience, described his reaction to the discovery by Kipnis’ lab: “The first time these guys showed me the basic result, I just said one sentence: ‘They’ll have to change the textbooks.’ There has never been a lymphatic system for the central nervous system, and it was very clear from that first singular observation – and they’ve done many studies since then to bolster the finding – that it will fundamentally change the way people look at the central nervous system’s relationship with the immune system.”
Even Kipnis was skeptical initially. “I really did not believe there are structures in the body that we are not aware of. I thought the body was mapped,” he said. “I thought that these discoveries ended somewhere around the middle of the last century. But apparently they have not.”
‘Very Well Hidden’
The discovery was made possible by the work of Antoine Louveau, PhD, a postdoctoral fellow in Kipnis’ lab. The vessels were detected after Louveau developed a method to mount a mouse’s meninges – the membranes covering the brain – on a single slide so that they could be examined as a whole. “It was fairly easy, actually,” he said. “There was one trick: We fixed the meninges within the skullcap, so that the tissue is secured in its physiological condition, and then we dissected it. If we had done it the other way around, it wouldn’t have worked.”
After noticing vessel-like patterns in the distribution of immune cells on his slides, he tested for lymphatic vessels and there they were. The impossible existed. The soft-spoken Louveau recalled the moment: “I called Jony [Kipnis] to the microscope and I said, ‘I think we have something.'”

Maps of the lymphatic system: old (left) and updated to reflect UVA’s discovery. Image credit: University of Virginia Health System.

As to how the brain’s lymphatic vessels managed to escape notice all this time, Kipnis described them as “very well hidden” and noted that they follow a major blood vessel down into the sinuses, an area difficult to image. “It’s so close to the blood vessel, you just miss it,” he said. “If you don’t know what you’re after, you just miss it.”
“Live imaging of these vessels was crucial to demonstrate their function, and it would not be possible without collaboration with Tajie Harris,” Kipnis noted. Harris, a PhD, is an assistant professor of neuroscience and a member of the BIG center. Kipnis also saluted the “phenomenal” surgical skills of Igor Smirnov, a research associate in the Kipnis lab whose work was critical to the imaging success of the study.
Alzheimer’s, Autism, MS and Beyond
The unexpected presence of the lymphatic vessels raises a tremendous number of questions that now need answers, both about the workings of the brain and the diseases that plague it. For example, take Alzheimer’s disease. “In Alzheimer’s, there are accumulations of big protein chunks in the brain,” Kipnis said. “We think they may be accumulating in the brain because they’re not being efficiently removed by these vessels.” He noted that the vessels look different with age, so the role they play in aging is another avenue to explore. And there’s an enormous array of other neurological diseases, from autism to multiple sclerosis, that must be reconsidered in light of the presence of something science insisted did not exist.
About this neuroscience research
The findings have been published online by the prestigious journal Nature and will appear in a forthcoming print edition. The article was authored by Louveau, Smirnov, Timothy J. Keyes, Jacob D. Eccles, Sherin J. Rouhani, J. David Peske, Noel C. Derecki, David Castle, James W. Mandell, Lee, Harris and Kipnis.
Funding: The study was funded by National Institutes of Health grants R01AG034113 and R01NS061973. Louveau was a fellow of Fondation pour la Recherche Medicale.

Source: Debra Kain – University of Virginia Health System
Image Source: The image is credited to the University of Virginia Health System
Original Research: Abstract for “Structural and functional features of central nervous system lymphatic vessels” by Antoine Louveau, Igor Smirnov, Timothy J. Keyes, Jacob D. Eccles, Sherin J. Rouhani, J. David Peske, Noel C. Derecki, David Castle, James W. Mandell, Kevin S. Lee, Tajie H. Harris and Jonathan Kipnis in Nature. Published online June 1 2015 doi:10.1038/nature14432"