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Biotech / Medical : Coronavirus / COVID-19 Pandemic -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Paul Smith who wrote (2799)	5/16/2020 1:26:07 PM
From: Sam	1 Recommendation Recommended By abuelita Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 22867

The article asks: Did the science change since March? Of course not, what changed is the panic and fear fueled by reckless and irresponsible politician like Phil Murphy. Actually, the science has changed. What has changed is the realization that so many people are carriers of the virus without having symptoms. Those people can give it to others. That is why everyone must wear a mark if they are going to be around other people, especially of course if they will be in a relatively crowded place. We are still learning a lot about this virus. It is not the flu.

To: Paul Smith who wrote (2799)	5/16/2020 2:13:22 PM
From: Stock Puppy	1 Recommendation Recommended By Sam Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 22867

chain link fence to stop mosquitoes and comparing that to effectiveness of wearing a piece of cloth to stop a virus No. (oh darn. I got triggered by the meme even though you didn't post it ! :-) ) Talk about your bad models! I can't believe that people are using this very bad disingenuous meme. My funny semi sarcastic statement: Wow - that is amazing - where can I get one of those single molecular layer material masks? My goodness, they're using carbon nano-mesh to make masks now? Seriously: Now to improve the "Chain Link Fence" model (and this is all common sense, no math or weird assumptions required!) Imagine instead the "mask" to keep the mosquitos out you have thousands if not millions of rows of staggered fences, (looking at the mask on a microscopic level) and covered with spikes or a sticky material and nooks and crannys. Now take a water-encased (as in the case of a viral particle) - and use your imagination for something (jello?) that will make the effective size or "cross sectional area" of the mosquito much much larger - trying to get through all that. Even being sucked through all that. Technically, it's called "mean free path". Most will get stopped. Oh, but some will get through. Yes. But it isn't ONE mosquito (at least in this analogy) that matters - to get sick, you need to breath in many mosquitos - (switch back to what we're concerned with to avoid being too silly) - I mean viral particles. If much less gets through, the likelyhood of you getting infected drops. The amount that gets through is your viral load. Your 'viral load' decreases. For some diseases, viral load is very small, like TB. The reason that CV is so infective and one things that made it a concern is that the viral load is much smaller than influenza (but estimated to be many orders of magnitude larger than TB). And it works both ways - people breathing in are less likely to get infected, people exhaling are less likely to spread the disease. That's why doctors working on patients wear those things. Ordinarily it is to protect the patient - but in this sort of case, it reduces the doctor's viral load. . . . . . . . . . . . . . and quite a bit more simplistically, this meme that you've probably seen says it: All that being said, yes there may be problems with wearing masks - but the good outweighs the bad, as I said in a previous post - Healthy != asymptomatic.

To: Paul Smith who wrote (2799)	5/16/2020 3:56:29 PM
From: Glenn Petersen	9 Recommendations Recommended By abuelita Brumar89 Eric L Graystone Heywood40 and 4 more members Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 22867

Goodbye. I've had enough. There is no mask "controversy." They may not be 100% effective, but they do provide some element of protection. When you are out in public you should wear a mask, if for no other reason than it is a common courtesy to your fellow citizens, a sign that you may actually give two shits about their health. Stir the pot elsewhere.