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To: Terry Maloney who wrote (197901)	4/4/2021 1:33:57 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 366289

I have to agree with her that I can't see how four armed cops could have felt any great fear in that situation. My friend frames it from the perspective that cops have been living in a theater where it's part of the life so it soaks into you over time. It shapes your framework. Just as Black people have been living in a theater where they "know" that they have to be really, really careful to avoid anything that might engage cops. In both cases, the fear may be greater than the realistic threat but, in their bubbles, they eat, sleep, and breathe it and it's very present in their thoughts and feelings. My friend can relate more easily to the cop theater than the Black theater although he recognizes that both are quite real. All my life I had never known a cop until joining a retirement facility where I casually know a couple of retired FBI agents. OTOH, having had the immigrant experience as a kid and having had close Black friends, I relate more easily to the Black theater.

To: Terry Maloney who wrote (197901)	4/4/2021 6:33:59 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 366289

It is pretty clear that fear is at the root of the gun culture. Fear of home invasion, for example. How often does that happen? Or being attacked on the street. Or being present at a mass shooting. Or even having to rise up against a tyrannical government. Have you, or do you know anyone who has, been in a situation where having a gun would have improved the outcome? The closest I can come up with is my dad worked with a guy who was running his jewelry store late at night when he was robbed. A shootout ensued, both the guy and the robber were shot. It isn't clear to me that if he hadn't of had a gun that anything but a robbery would have occurred, but ok. Even then, the value of the goods were not more than his medical costs after being shot... How many times in recent history has guns been a factor in the rise of a tyrannical government? Or would have changed the outcome? Some claim it would have made all of the difference in the world for the Jews under the Nazis. But in at least one case, it didn't. There was a Polish ghetto where the occupants did have guns. The Nazis laid siege and eventually rounded up everyone and killed them. It probably resulted in that particular population being worse off. I suppose you can argue they felt better by having a chance at fighting back, but those feelings didn't improve the outcome and may have made it worse.