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To: koan who wrote (479303)	9/9/2021 12:38:28 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 541780

Most of the people coming here as refugees are from Central America. How about using the Monroe Doctrine to invade and occupy that region of the world for the next 20 years? Maybe throw in Haiti, too.

To: koan who wrote (479303)	9/9/2021 12:43:31 PM
From: epicure	5 Recommendations Recommended By abuelita bentway cosmicforce Eric L Wharf Rat Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541780

Koan, I have been told this is an echo chamber in no uncertain terms so I DEMAND you echo me- now, repeat after me- "After Trump gave the country to the Taliban the battle for Afghanistan was lost- all Biden could do was get the US out as quickly and as painlessly as possible". Did he do that? I sure think he did. You may disagree around the edges of how we exited- though with your lack of military experience, I'm not sure why I would listen to you. Afghanistan is no more a "hostage" of the Taliban than any other country with a horrible government. North Korea, for example. Those people are even more terrorized and brutalized than the Afghans- but you don't go on and on about them all the time. At some point you have to say, "It was stupid to go into Afghanistan and it was stupid to stay there." Biden will probably be praised as the man who dared to get us out of the mire- a mire that showed no signs of firming up. I get it- you would have spent more and more money there, at the expense of all the things you claim we need right here, in the US. End of the day, Koan, Afghanistan is for Afghans- and it is THEIR country. The US tried to help them for TWENTY years- and trillions of dollars. I weep for that money that could have been spent here. If I'm honest, I don't give a shit about Afghanistan and I do wish the US had spent all that lovely money making sure the US wasn't a sad, ungovernable shithole instead of wasting it overseas. So many of the problems we see here could be partially fixed by better infrastructure and even- gasp- better education (though possibly of a different sort than you envision. I'm thinking of really targeted job training to get some of those fucking incels out of their basement lairs and into good employment so they have less time to fiddle around with their Proud Boy buddies on the net.)