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Politics : Did Slick Boink Monica? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jack Clarke who wrote (8561)	2/26/1998 3:54:00 PM
From: Zoltan!	Respond to of 20981

I've said that Christine is unique for some time. Frank seems to adore her. <vbg> That sealed it for me! You are correct, it's too bad that there are no statesmen in the Dem Party like there have been in the Republican Party when their leaders erred. I still remember RR waving all claims to executive privilege at the start of Iran-Contra, despite the fact that he probably could have prevailed in exercising such a claim. Clinton, of course, does the opposite, trying to invent and extend privileges where no privilege has gone before.

To: Jack Clarke who wrote (8561)	2/27/1998 12:28:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20981

I think virtue comes by teaching, Jack. There is a story I read recently about Bill Clinton and his mother, and I do not remember the details, but she had told him some lie, and he caught her in it, and the punchline was that he said something like, well mother, that's your story, and you're sticking to it, and they both got a big chuckle out of it! I think it is really difficult for children reared in amoral families to learn consistently the difference between right and wrong, even though they have other role models as well, and even though they struggle trying to do the right thing. I had a strict Victorian grandmother whose moral rules became imbedded somehow in my conscience, and even though I have done some things that are wrong, I am very clear when I do that, and am always trying to get better as I get older. There is also a very selfish part of that--people who don't lie, cheat and steal regularly just sleep better. But when your own parents have very mushy morals, it is very hard to overcome, and I am clear at all whether Bill Clinton believes he may have done anything wrong at all (assuming that the ALLEGATIONS are true). Only he knows that. However, being an attorney, and therefore generally thinking in lawyerly terms, along with growing up with less moral guidance than some of us may get, in an adversarial and dysfunctional environment for a child, would be very confusing. So I am not sure whether virtue, or striving for virtue, is a big issue for him.