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To: uu who wrote (8331)	3/14/1998 7:03:00 AM
From: John Carragher	Respond to of 64865

Addi I hope you carry this message to msft. John

To: uu who wrote (8331)	3/14/1998 10:51:00 AM
From: Scotsman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

Microsoft is probably fairly confident about their version of Java over Sun's because they feel they hold the cards. Remember, Microsoft has always been a hard ball player, and they are great at forcing programmers to use their stuff over others whether the programmers want to or not. Whatever it takes, fair of foul, they will do. And they have the resources, connections, and money to make it work. I imagine one stratagy is that they will use this as an integration tool, arguing that Microsoft will soon be in all areas of data transfer, and if you don't use their version of Java now over Sun, forget getting any future liscenses. That can be a very persuasive arguement if a programmer looks at how Microsoft took over the PC market, and the threat of losing any future connection may make them think twice about crossing them. Of course, if the programmers at this time are programming any Windows app, Microsoft already has them just by the sheer size of its contracts. "Now, you wouldn't want us to pull that contract with you. would you? If not, you better drop that Sun stuff you got going and go with our Java." I don't like it, but thats the way I see it.

To: uu who wrote (8331)	3/14/1998 11:38:00 AM
From: Carmine Cammarosano	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

Does anyone know what Cramer on "the street.com" is saying about SUNW dated today 3/14/98..."Cramer's In-depth Rewrite of his battle for SUNW"...Anything interesting?

To: uu who wrote (8331)	3/14/1998 3:21:00 PM
From: LKO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

It used to be that in the past the always placed a R in a circle on top of the word Java and then at the bottom they would say something like: Java is a registered trade mark of Sun Microsystems, but this time they have not bothered doing that! I wished I knew what they are thinking! I think they think that that the contract they wrote with Sun gave them the right to develop Java when it said something like their implementation would be the "reference implementation" or something in their contract. I am not lawyer enough to know whether their thinking is right or not but I am sure they have good lawyers who seem to think they can get away with it. I am afraid in the "Java game" they will succeed in hijacking it. It might be by playing dirty, but they might win anyway by having better lawyers. In the "monopoly game" they seem to be winning anyway. By the time the case settles, Windows98 would be out and the bundling coercion issue would be moot. Netscape seems to be a tamed competitor anyway. Their strategy of locking away customer choice for platform implmentors seems to be working. I think even in a level field they would be a dominant player and a good competitor but why play by rules when you can own the rules and always Win ? Any flaws in this scenario ? <ggg> -LKO

To: uu who wrote (8331)	3/14/1998 11:09:00 PM
From: Kal	Respond to of 64865

I think this is a good step to us: Microsoft is pushing itself into a corner. I think there is no reason whatsoever for me or the programmers I work with to use J++ 6.0.

To: uu who wrote (8331)	3/15/1998 9:25:00 PM
From: David W. Taylor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

I really take offense to be called a moron! The reasoning behind VJ++ 6 is stupefyingly obvious even to this moron. Bill and co are simply acknowledging what is the truth in WindowsLand: only Windows exists or matters. There is one thing that has not been happening with Java. Nobody has been generating native WIN32 applications with it. Now we can....and will! Whether or not I agree with the new "delegate" and "multicast" keywords, there can be no denying that this environment will allow me to build apps that run at a decent speed on Pentium boxes. For a lot of developers that is the entire world. Sun make great server hardware and James Gosling is undoubtedly a genius but WIN32 defines the desktop. >> In any event their logic is beyond me and as a MSFT share holder I am not too happy with this latest development because this will be a definite backfire. Anyone who wants to do real Java development and uses Visual J++ 6.0 is simply a moron (no offense to anyone). >>