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To: Grainne who wrote (20262)	4/12/1998 8:44:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine, when I speak to many young men who have entered the service, some of them come from America's inner cities, or lower middle class neihborhoods. I have been most impressed recently in the young people I have met. Sometimes I talk with them and inevitably we discuss life in the big city growing up, since mine was similar to theirs. So I ask them, what kept you from getting in trouble and deciding to join the service. More often than not, comments like, "my mom or dad would have whooped my butt if I got involved with drugs or gangs" is the answer given. When these young kids say things like that, I believe their parents really cared about them. They weren't content to just sit back and let their teenagers run willie nilly over them. Is this scientific? No, but good old fashioned common sense doesn't need science IMO. Sometimes a 14 year old needs a good old fashioned shed whooping from dad to straighten him out. This of course can be taken to the extreme, and that's when the law should step in. Unfortunately in today's day and age, any whooping is thought of as child abuse. Who was it who advanced this silly notion? Mr Spock?? The fact that we have too many people (like yourself) who always view this as child abuse and successfully pass laws circumventing parental rights is the real problem. A friend of mine at work a few years ago, had a daughter who was 14. She kept sneaking out of the house at night, to go do drugs and hang out with her friends. He was helpless to stop her because you can't incarcerate a 14 year old in the state of Washington, without her permission. He wanted to put her in a drug rehab program, where she couldn't leave at night. Guess what? After many frustrating months of looking for a legal solution. He finally kidnapped her and drove to a in-house rehab program in Idaho. The laws are different there. So in effect he probably saved that teenagers life because he loved his daughter enough to do something illegal. It's pathetically sad when parents who really care, are treated like criminals because of some ridiculous notion that teenagers should be treated as adults. Teenagers have allot to learn at 14. To believe they always no what's best for them, and never need a whooping is tunnel visioned phycobable nonsense of the highest order. Michael

To: Grainne who wrote (20262)	4/13/1998 3:13:00 AM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Hi Christine, About 20 years ago I chanced upon my foster daughter and my niece, who were both about 12 at the time, smoking what was probably their first cigarette. They were not inhaling. I had them both smoke another one, but instructed them on how to deeply inhale to get the full affect. Neither one finished the whole thing before they were green in the face and gagging. I then gave them a short lecture about how maybe their bodies were trying to tell them something. I'm not sure if I did the right thing, but neither one has smoked since. I wonder if anybody else tried this? Del