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To: O'Hara who wrote (15433)	5/9/1998 7:30:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

The star of David was worn by most of the congregation unbelievers and believers alike. When asked, the rabbi said that there was no clear origin of this charm, so I researched it and he was basically right, except there was some evidence that it was first used in a synagogue 1800 yrs. ago. (Other references connected it with some spell casters and some other unsavory practices)..but who really knows? . Is not the cross a charm as well? Also hasn't the Cross been used as well for unsavory practices like cross burnings ect...... The bottom line is that they are both statements and generally the Star of David is recognized by Jews as simply being Jewish or in agreement with. It has been adopted by the Jews as a symbol of Jewishness and nothing more. Alan

To: O'Hara who wrote (15433)	5/9/1998 10:24:00 PM
From: DLL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Shalom, A very nice note, thank you for sharing your experiences. Our congregation allows anything from shorts to crosses. There are no crosses as part of the Temple, and have been told it does offend Jews. I don't mind, rather hope like the Apostle Paul to be all things to all people, and at temple we do win quite a few Jews and Gentiles alike. I ask about offending, as I do not want to cause stumbling, and feel under fire here for using the name Yeshua. Maybe I'm paranoid, but some of the attacks are very overt. As far as doctrine, I have heard nothing but the Word of G-d taught. Like yourself I would leave, but would probably ask many questions first. I'll stop for now, but look forward to sharing with you more. You are a true blessing to the body, and I thank G-d for your obvious love of Yeshua, and others. In Yeshua's love for you - DLL

To: O'Hara who wrote (15433)	5/9/1998 11:07:00 PM
From: Barnabus	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

A tribute to my mother= Mom, what a sensational mother you were. You loved all your children. Equally. You were part of something that is missed by most children today. You were a praying mother. I remember playing outside in the backyard as a lad---a neighboring boy asked: "What is your mother doing?" And I answered matter-of-factly: "She's praying." You had the window wide open (like Daniel) and you were praying for your children, husband, friends, neighbors, our world, etc. I remember that happening many times. Most sons and daughters haven't had the privilege you provided for your children. Your prayers were not "emergency prayers", but a way of life for you. I remeber you and Daddy taking us to Church twice on Sunday---walking three miles each way. Then off to prayer meeting on Wednesday evenings. I remember the family altar you provided. We had a chapter of the Bible read, knelt down and each took their turn praying. What a heritige you gave us. Mom, you wouldn't believe what our world has become like these days. I am grateful God placed you in the generation that He did. Mom, you are missed---but we passed the baton on to our children and they now have the responsibilities of providing a Godly heritige to their children and grandchildren. God has blessed us with a long good life---we miss you, but know you are enjoying sensational fellowship in God's presence. Thanks again for being an outstanding Mom---and---for staying with the same husband for nearly 60 years---"Til death do us part"---we're working on the same marriage ourselves--- Lovingly Your youngest son

To: O'Hara who wrote (15433)	5/10/1998 12:42:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Dear Shalom, Thank you for sharing your experiences. You have experienced a problem that has been dealt with by most Messianic Synagogues but takes time to work through. I aspire to write a book on seperating Biblical and Rabbinical laws. Some new to the Messianic worship have a tendancy to go to far like you said with davining and kosher etc..I believe all matters with some of the law of Messiah are between the person and God and are not to be forced on others (with exceptions being mentioned by Paul like sexual immorality, etc...). I have a problem with the Cross as a symbol for the Lord to begin with. This symbol was used in the Inquisitions, the Crusades, cross burnings by KKK, and by Hitler. A stirring of bad experiences are carried with it to the Jews and like Paul says to win some it should not be a matter of force or even concern if it offends someone that deeply. I have been told that the Star of David is an arrow pointing to God and an arrow of God to men and the center is where there is life that is why you see Chhais in it at times. I prefer to wear a Chai if I wear anything for Yeshua is alive and not still on a Cross. In a Messianic Congregation there are a multitude of backgrounds of members, from Baptist to Orthodox Judaism and everything in between, so doctrine is almost always a concern and should be mentioned for clarification. Where I worship it has taken time to develop a strong foundation but has been worth the effort. The Torah portions are set annually to assure a complete public reading of the scriptures every year even way in advance. The New Testament says to devote ourselves to the public reading of scripture. Also, when Yeshua read Isaiah 60 in Nazareth He was doing the Haf Torah portion and it is usual to do a commentary on the portion after reading it so they were looking to Him to share and boy did He ever. Anyway you have to hear my favorite CD; Shalom Jerusalem by Paul Wilber. This is from a live concert honoring Yeshua at the Wailing wall and is awesome. Nancy